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Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by Jiminy, Aug 2, 2014.

  1. Jiminy
    Joined: Oct 25, 2012
    Posts: 331

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    Here is the banger link list .

    For the HAMB banger newbies, here are some links to a lot of banger info:

    Flat Ernie maintains the monthly link list. Every month is listed:http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...d.php?t=161498


    Banger basics. another info link list:http://www.fordgarage.com/

    http://www.plucks329s.org/index.htm

    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...d.php?t=251717

    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...ad.php?t=42480

    Post #105 of link below shows flywheel lightening dimensionshttp://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=470853&page=6

    Model B rod bearing insert numbershttp://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?p=6992484#post6992484

    Engine tuning with a Vacuum gaugehttp://www.centuryperformance.com/tuning-with-a-vacuum-gauge-spg-148.html

    Adjusting dual Strombergs:http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?p=6638461#post6638461

    Helpful Model A tools and tips:http://www.maurer-markus.ch/ford_a/tipps.index.en.html

    Gary in MN's late model Malory distributor conversion for A/B engine:http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9147025&postcount=109

    Elrod's stuck head tech:http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=218487

    Model A generator to alternator conversion:http://ejwhitneyco.com/automotive.html

    Gear ratio / speed and RPM calculator:http://www.accuautoparts.com/calculator.php

    Model A master cylinder mounting bracket ideas:http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...73#post4953173

    Go here to read the 1931 edition of Harry Ricardo's book "The High Speed Internal Combustion Engine"http://www.scribd.com/full/40610101?access_key=key-w2bcjicdancrnxypd05

    Chevy Banger Stuffhttp://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...d.php?t=463465

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/22469332/The-High-Speed-Internal-Combustion-Engine-Ricardo-1931

    Post 198 starts a great discussion of the shape of a flat head combustion chamberhttp://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=470853&page=10

    Maybe these links should be posted early in each months meeting.

    If anyone knows of more, please post them.

    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=256226
     
  2. telecustom
    Joined: Feb 17, 2009
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    from Langey, BC

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    Get out and drive them! .80 over with model b head and carb.


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  3. denis4x4
    Joined: Apr 23, 2005
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    The zipper developed some serious left front wheel hop at 55 MPH. Spent the day swapping the front tires and balancing the wheels and the drums as a single unit. Also changed the bolts in the friction shocks. Now, I have wheel hop on both front wheels. Has to be the shocks. Are they too loose or too tight? Thanks in advance for your thoughts,


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  4. johnneilson
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    August is here already?!?
    I am loading trailer and making chips............
     

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  5. johnneilson
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    Denis, probably too loose.
    Suspension should move if you step up on bumper, then move back once you jump off.
    Keep tightening until it doesn't, then back it off a little.

    John
     
  6. RussTee
    Joined: Mar 25, 2008
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    Best of luck John hold the banger flag high.
     
  7. RussTee
    Joined: Mar 25, 2008
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    I see Ron is thinking to see Ghost Rider it is one hell of a buy for someone
     
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  8. out plowing
    Joined: May 5, 2010
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    Is going over head valve (e..g. Roof ) on a banger all that it is cracked up to be? What are the benefits? what are the drawbacks?
     
  9. johnneilson
    Joined: Apr 12, 2011
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    It all depends on the intended purpose of the car and your wallet.
    Pro's more power, speed and potential.
    Con's cost and always remember, the light that shines twice as bright lives half as long.

    J
     
  10. Crazydaddyo
    Joined: Apr 6, 2008
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    Good luck John, I'll see you out there. Leaving Friday morning. If you need any help , let me know.

    .
     
  11. waxhead
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    What sort of power do you normally get from an off-the-shelf OHV conversion versus a high compression head ??
     
  12. Crazydaddyo
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    Too loose.

    Mine did the same thing. I replaced the friction shocks with newly rebuilt A Houdile shocks and it got worse. I put the friction shocks back on and using a torque wrench on the tension bolt, I gradualy tightened them until the hop went away. You might play with air pressure in the tires too.

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  13. johnneilson
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    Dan,
    I have to work Friday so I am leaving later that night. Should be there Sat afternoon.
    I will be pitting with the 4006 coupe arriving on Friday morning.
    Which way are you driving up? thru Ely?
    See you there.

    J
     
  14. Crazydaddyo
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    Replacing a stock flat head with a high comp. head on a stock engine does not net you very many more HP. To take advantage of the higher compression, you need to change the cam and carb, A 6:1 head with a mild cam and single 2 barrel carb on an otherwise stock engine will net about 60-70 HP. More mods including bigger valves, more cam, comp, and carb. can get 90-100 HP.

    With the right OHV head, cam and carbs you can get 90-125 HP.

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  15. My car weighs 1500 lbs. I checked a tubular shock with a fishing scale and it had 20 lbs resistance
    so I set my shocks to that. I use 2 Bellview washers face to face for tension. Works !
     
  16. Crazydaddyo
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    I'm planning on leaving @ 1:00 am Friday morning and taking 15 all the way. I know Ely is less traveled, but my thoughts were that at the time I'm traveling traffic shouldn't be a problem.

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  17. waxhead
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    Crazydaddyo, thanks for the response and information
     
  18. modelAsteve
    Joined: Jan 9, 2009
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    Wave at me as I drive by in the '30 CCPU "Salt Truck". I'll be doing my trash duties!
     
  19. johnneilson
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    Steve, You betch'a
    Stop in and say Hi, some of the FAST and 4E4 guys will be with us.

    John
     
  20. out plowing
    Joined: May 5, 2010
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    I guess I'm looking at a banger that has the nuts and bolts to keep up on highway. I see that there is lots of different heads developed over the years for T, A, B & C blocks with over head valve to over head cam. Is going that route just nostalgia or have a functional purpose?
     
  21. johnneilson
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    Nostalgia is a reason for it, mainly it is about power underfoot.
    Crazydaddyo above answered your question, good conservative HP numbers.
    IMHO, the OHV has a better efficiency potential than a side valve motor.
    If you intend to drive it like a touring car, the Miller High Speed is good, very good.
    If you intend on racing, look for a 4 port head (intakes) like a Riley or Cragar 4 port.
    Keep in mind that these motor were built around 40HP. If you bolt a 4 port head on a stock bottom end you will see the internal parts without getting your hands dirty.

    Don't get me wrong, I have done a couple side valve motors that hold there own and pull the OD very well on the highway in a full bodied car.

    One last note, there has never been a "C" motor in the A/B series which came after the T.

    John
     

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  22. grego31
    Joined: Aug 28, 2006
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    from Sac, CA

    John, very nice motor you have pictured above! What have you done to it to get it to that point of construction and what do you need to get it running? I am sitting here watching the movie, "Boys of Bonneville" and I might run away from home and camp out this weekend! Miss the salt!
     
  23. johnneilson
    Joined: Apr 12, 2011
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    Start making excuses now for being gone this next week or so, I am.
    Thanks, this picture is a couple years old now. This one is running and will be in Utah next week.
    Last year had problems with fueling at Bonneville and in May this year ran 139 at El Mo.
    The build on this one is pretty extensive and I have a new build in the works that is more complicated.

    I have plenty of build pics that I can show you, sic motor porn if you are into that sort of thing.

    John
     

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  24. Reddy
    Joined: Feb 7, 2007
    Posts: 149

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    Help,
    I'm running a MSD ignition 6A on my banger and if anyone is also running one what did you set the points and timing at?
    Thank you Mike
     
  25. dmarv
    Joined: Oct 10, 2005
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    from Exeter, CA

    Working on getting my B engine back in the A. I needed to re-babbit the rear main cap and then scrap it in. I got all that done, now I noticed that the rear slinger has been machined off and is the same diameter as the main journals, 2.000. I got the two piece neoprene/cork B rear main seal kit and I realized that the instructions on the seal kit call to machine the rear slinger to 2.35"/2.34" does anyone know who make the gaskets for 2" crank diameter?
     
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  26. colinsmithson
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    John I for want to your motor porn
    by the way good luck run fast and stay safe
     
  27. johnneilson
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    Thanks, we will.
    Here is a little more. IMG_1378 reduced.jpg IMG_1379 reduced.jpg 123012-3.jpg
     
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  28. RussTee
    Joined: Mar 25, 2008
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    Nice work John go well stay safe good luck to all the banger teams.
     
  29. Jersey Joe 67
    Joined: Jun 12, 2008
    Posts: 425

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    from J Town

    Hey guys new banger owner here,
    I was wondering how many bangers run quick change rearends.
     
  30. noboD
    Joined: Jan 29, 2004
    Posts: 6,982

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    I'll be there Sat. until Mon. Hope to meet some of you banger guys.
     

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