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Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by Ned Ludd, Sep 26, 2014.

  1. Ned Ludd
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    Interesting. I see there is a central articulation between the chassis/body halves. We have articulated buses here with the engine and drive in the rear part – strange to have a vehicle powered by its trailer, but not really unprecedented at all.

    I keep wondering about hydrostatic drive, though. I keep getting told that it's atrociously inefficient, yet I read only in the past week of a French company who are offering a near-bolt-on hydrostatic rear-drive package for front-wheel-drive cars. The amount of power going to the rear wheels is minimal, though – but they have commercial-vehicle versions, which, alas, are rather heavy.

    Then there are the guys building custom bikes around industrial diesel engines with hydrostatic drive.
     
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    I'd still prefer a scenario based on the reduction of mobility demand as such to the predominantly pedestrian through radical economic diffusion and the concomitant spontaneous redevelopment of the built environment, but I think that's a discussion for another place.
     
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    I'm just waiting for the day some two bit computer hacker throws a bug into the system and they all just stop, creating a giant gridlock.
     
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    You can see all kinds of automotive weirdness on EnglishRussia... funny, for a hyper-controlling society, it seems that, if you can scrounge up the parts and have ANY mechanical ability, you can build whatever car you want there....
     
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    That is at-least a generation away, in the most developed nations.
     
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    You would need to gain direct access to each vehicle.
     
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    It's infinitely far away as long as the predominant tendency is diametrically opposite. Self-obviating systems are surely possible, but the self-driving car isn't one.
     
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    Only available in one color?
     
  9. Ned Ludd
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    Nobody? Did I open the wrong website by mistake?
     
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    Thinking that the builder was more jacked up than the car.o_O
     
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  11. Car? More like an oversized four wheeled bicycle.


    Sent from my iPhone using The H.A.M.B. mobile app
     
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  12. Ned Ludd
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    So no-one on the entire HAMB knows the fairly major thing a Humvee and a Bond Bug have in common?
     
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    Headlight spacing ?
     
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  14. The location of the fuel filler neck??? :confused:

    Man, this is going to be embarrassing. :(
     
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    Definitely not the tire size, though it would be interesting to see a Bond Bug with Humvee wheels and tires
     
  16. pitman
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    C'mon there Ned, clue us in!
    (Humvees weren't gull wing)?
     
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    They were both made by American Motors. What did I win?
     
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    Forward hinged opening bits?

    Like the Jaguar E-Type?
     
  19. pitman
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    ^^^that reply deserves a 'boot' in the bonnet!
     
  20. Ned Ludd
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    I see the moderators have done a bit of a cull: fair enough.

    So, what does a Humvee and a Bond Bug have in common? Both have the engine substantially between the driver and the (front) passenger.

    Could the Bug have been the first to have this arrangement, in 1970? Surely many commercial vehicles had for many years before, but what about a passenger car? Any examples?
     
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    Seems like many of the "horseless carriages" in the early days had the engine under the seating area or slightly behind it.....
     
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  22. Ned Ludd
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    The highest development of that was arguably the Edwardian dual-crank Lanchesters. Now there is some automotive weirdness:
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    I for one, will give the Lanchester engine top billing for weird.
     
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    It would seem that "Stylin' and Profilin'" is nothing new..... that is truly one "laid back" chauffeur
     
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    Sadly, That Lanchester cross section does not clearly show the THREE connecting rods per piston.
     
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    And..HOLY CONNECTING ROD ANGLE ! 1 lanc rod.jpg
     
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    I'd like to see one in operation. I wonder what the supposed advantages of such a design were? Very Odd Indeed
     
  30. Ned Ludd
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    Unlike most flat-twins this isn't a "boxer" layout. The two pistons pretty much move together, so tdc for one coincides with bdc for the other. If both pistons are completely balanced by the crank counterweights there would be a significant vertical imbalance if it had been a single crank layout. In fact it's the perennial single-cylinder engine balance problem turned 90°. With the twin-crank arrangement the vertical imbalances are cancelled out.

    It's quite an interesting thing. You wouldn't think that a 90° V-twin could be balanced, but it can be. There are racing motorcycle singles which are balanced by a counterweight rocking or sliding at substantially right angles to the bore – effectively a dummy piston performing the same balancing function as a 90° V-twin's second piston.
     

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