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Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by kurtis, Jul 18, 2009.

  1. Loose Ctrl
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    It has no transverse spring mounts, so I don't think it's Furd.
     
  2. jimmy six
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    ^^^^^ What's this got to do with early race cars.
     
  3. The37Kid
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    NOT Ford Model T, looks like a mid size car from the 1915-25 era. Those rear fender mounts are unlike any I've ever seen, should help to ID what it is. If it is free for the taking I'd grab it. Bob
     
  4. Six Ball
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    It was left in the desert when it broke down during an early cross country race? Not a Ford, Not a Chevy, Not and Essex and probably not a Hudson but not sure. It doesn't look similar to the teens early twenties Dodge frame I have either. If that's the cowl in the background it might help identify it.
     
  5. That's a big one. I will have to work on that one.
     
  6. THE FRENCHTOWN FLYER
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    Definitely not a T - not with that rear kickup.
     
  7. jimdillon
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    Jim good to see you posting as I have not seen it in a while.

    Willy Nilly in regards to the pictures you posted the racing picture I believe is the Grand Prize Auto race held in San Francisco of February 1915. Most of these cars also competed a week or so later in early March in the Vanderbilt Cup. These race was held in conjunction with the 1915 Panama Pacific International Exposition (In essence the World's fair).

    To give it some perspective, I believe they gave it the name in honor of the opening of the Panama Canal which was finished and opened in late summer of 1914). Not only that but San Francisco wanted to showcase their herculean efforts in rebuilding their city after the earthquake and fire of 1906 which destroyed major parts of the city.
    This race was held in what is now the Marina district I believe.

    The race had been rained out and delayed and when they actually ran the race on February 27 it rained I have read for 5 of the 7 hours of the race. Some of the drivers tried to run in the mud but a number of them parked their rides. The wood planking seen here was used in front of the pits and start finish line.

    Some of the cars in the photo are Claude Newhouse in the #15 Delage, Glover Ruckstell in one of the big Type 45 Mercers (#6), Earl Cooper in his Stutz (#8), Caleb Bragg in I believe the Californian which was Mercer powered (#14) and William Taylor in his #29 Alco. None of these cars did well in the muddy Grand Prize which was won by Dario Resta in his Peugeot.
     
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  8. 64 DODGE 440
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    With front frame horns, all those cross members and the kick up at the rear, definitely not T.
     
  9. banjeaux bob
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    18193735_1327413623961614_1792719524525283319_n.jpg 18157240_1327413627294947_7491865652135276523_n.jpg 1923 Benz Tropfennwagen. Type RH. 1991 c.c. 90H.P.
     
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  10. 28dreyer
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  11. motoklas
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    Hello Dreyer,
    Your mini midget?
    Proof that unorthodox designs (thoeretically not good) could be succesful trough period of a few decades?
    What is system of front supension?

    Regards,
    Zoran
    P.S.: You are driving compter well, too!
     
  12. 28dreyer
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    IMGP5665.JPG IMGP5667.JPG IMGP5671.JPG
    yes my ex-midget, pre-WWII. Lots of 1/4 ellipticals front and rear in that era from the Benz pictured to Miller, Dreyer, and others.

    Front is tube axle, cross spring with Shilala mounting. No left shackle and pivoting mounts on both ends. Also left front radius rod has pivot at the axle. There are two steering arms because it has a duplex steering gear, two pitman arms and two drag links, no tie rod.

    Note shock link in first picture is mounted on the spherically turned or ball head of the specially made radius rod pivot bolt
     
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  13. motoklas
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    Thank you on interesting photos and detailed explanation!
    Obiously that any system if carefully designed, constructed and tested (redesigned and developed in process), could be succesful!
    Have a lot of experience with smaller European cars that were good for "pensioner-style" driving, but quite dangerous above that. However, when properly modified, they were excellent in every kind of competition...

    Zoran
     
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  14. THE FRENCHTOWN FLYER
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    At least yours has friction shocks.
     
  15. Six Ball
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    "pensioner-style" driving, ??? At what age are we no longer suitable to drive in your company?
     
  16. THE FRENCHTOWN FLYER
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    Generally, When you leave your left turn signal on while driving down the road - its time.
     
  17. banjeaux bob
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    This goes with post #10390.... 18157076_10155479143094267_6512785704242268176_n.jpg
     
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  18. THE FRENCHTOWN FLYER
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    I love all the lightening holes.
    On the front suspension I see those "band brake" shock absorber dealies, but I still don't see any damping mechanisms for the rear end. Am I missing something?
     
  19. 64 DODGE 440
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    So if we leave the right turn signal on we're OK?o_O
     
  20. Bill Rinaldi
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    My guess would Dodge Bros. Fenders not quite the same as a T. Bill
     
  21. banjeaux bob
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  22. Six Ball
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    I love that one!
     
  23. WillyNilly
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    [​IMG]
    I found it!
    Overland tourer. See the edging on the fenders and the running boards.

    [​IMG]
     
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  24. WillyNilly
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    Apologies for the non racing post, but I did kick this thread back to life after a month and a half of nothing. :)
     
  25. Loose Ctrl
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    I'd drive it like I stole it.:D
     
  26. Six Ball
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    There was one of those sitting in a row of old cars, trucks, and tractors at a ranch my friend live on back in high school. We fired it up! Of course it wasn't as old back then. :rolleyes:
     
  27. Nope. Fenders on the car in question are not curved on the way down to the running boards. They are flat. There is also no "bill" on the fenders on the car in question.
     
  28. banjeaux bob
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  29. Kume
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    cool trailer - thought the car was underslung for a second there.
     
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  30. The37Kid
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    Yes, notice that the trailer wheels are also the Daytons that go on the race car, Model A Ford wheels strapped to the car are for the A towing it. Bob
     

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