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  1. banjeaux bob
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    I'd be smiling too! That is cool.
     
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    That is a nicely done frame. It looks like there was a lot of thought put into the build - more so than the SEG farmboy look of the passengers belie.
     
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    Eddie Rickenbacker driving a Duesenberg
     
  5. Michael Ferner
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    The "passenger" is Eddie O'Donnell.
     
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    119943572_639956500040259_2747026478577062617_o.jpg Actress Natalie Kingston in the Jackman Special,1927.
     
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    What a beauty, both of them!
     
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    two more beauties.
     
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    What Flyer said!
     
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    127229202_1557410767800438_6286142969091199436_o.jpg Jenine Jennky With Amilcar C6
     
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    134795166_223305835946769_6276908147881107871_n.jpg 135210996_223305765946776_3477019873879365328_n.jpg t 135439499_223305792613440_1347293614063876966_n.jpg 1923 Benz Tropfenwagen
     
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    Man alive. Mid-engine, inboard rear brakes, independent rear suspension, dual overhead cams... All in 1923. What a thing. Thank you for posting that.
     
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    Wish there were more photos of the 1912 Les Charlatans' 7.6 ltr DOHC
    A collaborative effort from Zuccarelli, Boillot and Goux that carried the Peugeot badge.
    The only one I could find was taken in 1915, after a rebuild and rebadge to BURMA.

    John
     
  16. motoklas
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    Hello,
    Could that be cars and engine on attached photos'
    Comments and articles on internet ate not quite precise...

    Ciao,
    Zoran
    P.S.: From the internet:
    ‘The Three Charlatans’; driver/technicians Goux, Boillot and Zuccarelli, the latter the most important in terms of his conceptual ideas, as they became known within Peugeot HQ, put a proposal to M Robert Peugeot to develop, outside the factory a team of cars for the 1912 French GP. The race was being revived that year, and two 3 litre cars for the Coup l’Auto at a cost of 4000 pounds for each car.
    The 1912 GP engine of 7602cc was estimated to develop 140bhp@2200rpm, the car very successful as covered in the contemporary magazine articles included at the end of this piece.
    ‘Overhead camshafts had been used earlier by Mercedes and Clement-Bayard…The technical contribution of the Peugeot engine was in the use of the hemispherical combustion chamber, four valves per cylinder operated directly by twin overhead camshafts and a central sparking plug. In other words, Zuccarelli, from whom this conception emanated, appreciated the virtues of a compact combustion chamber, large effective valve area and low valve stresses’.
    ‘A stirrup-type valve tappet guided top and bottom ad having its own return spring was used and the entire mechanism was fully enclosed and lubricated; the valves and springs were exposed to assist cooling…The one-piece cylinder block and the head were bolted to a two-piece crankcase split on the horizontal centre line of the five main bearings’ said Mundy.
    Boillot won the 1912 French GP at Dieppe by 13 minutes from the closest Fiat at an average speed of 68.5 mph. The Fiats, to demonstrate the efficiency of the Peugeot engine were of 14,143cc.
     

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    Zoran,
    Fantastic!! that sure looks like it

    Best regards, John
     
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    Tanforan Nov 1924 100-mile .jpg Tanforan horse track in California with a 100-mile race on November 16, 1924. Al Schwoerer collection with Larry Hewitt touch up.
     
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    376px-1924_Miller_122-183.jpg Alive and well in a Utah collection. Bob
     
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    Jack Fleming in 1910 Pope race car Vanderbilt Cup Race.
     
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    Isn't that Louis driving?
     
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    Arthur I think, they were certainly alike.
     
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    This car also had a two up two down and was supercharged and was the first version of his potent two up two down car that he won a championship in. I am not sure but I heard this car exist somewhere.
     
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    I'll bite:

    What does two up two down refer to? Carburetion? Suspension?

    If it doesn't exist it would be pretty straightforward to clone.
    'Cept maybe the two up two down...
     

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