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History Auto racing 1894-1942

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by kurtis, Jul 18, 2009.

  1. jroberts
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    Let you? I expect you to post. I enjoy the knowledge you bring to this thread. Keep it up!
     
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  2. Bluto,

    I would like to share your photos and video with a couple of local friends. Are you OK with me copying the pictures and link?
     
  3. Bluto
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    I THINK IT'S OK AS LONG AS THEY DON'T SHOW UP ON EBAY FOR SALE :rolleyes:
     
  4. LOL, I completely understand, and no, nothing like that will happen. I will let you know the reactions from my friends.
     
  5. The37Kid
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    upload_2018-3-8_19-59-50.jpeg upload_2018-3-8_19-59-50.jpeg Just found this on the web while doing an Emory Collins search. Too early for him I think, can someone ID the bobtail Miller? I think it may match one that was raced locally. Bob
     
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  6. I can look it up in my Miller book but I suspect you will have an answer before I can go all the way through the book. As a long shot didn't the Golden Submarine look like that after it was rebodied?
     
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  7. The37Kid
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    [​IMG] I thought it may have been this car, but doing a HAMB search found out it is really this car, that Michael Ferner posted back in 2010. Bob [​IMG]
     
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  8. Michael Ferner
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    Not really too early for "Spunk" Collins, as he was already racing by then, but didn't get his hands on this kind of machinery for several more years. Both the #4 and #40 cars in the last post are pretty similar, having been built in 1924 around the old 3-litre (183 CID) straight eight engines of 1922. The #4 was the car Ira Vail took back east and later sold to Charlie Ganung; it was apparently custom built bodywork on a 1922 Durant/Miller frame. The #40 was built especially for Sig Haugdahl and IMCA impresario Alex Sloan (who probably footed the bill), and later often used by Fred Horey; it was built on a standard '122' frame with standard bodywork cut down at the rear. It later ended up with the 183 CID DOHC Duesenberg engine, ex-de Palma, and I think Swede Anderson drove it in the early thirties.
     
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  10. The37Kid
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    [​IMG] This is the Ira Vail 122 MILLER after a Duesenberg straight 8 was installed by Larry Beals. As Michael mentioned above the Fred Horey car also got a Duesenberg later in life. Were there more Duesenberg engines out there, were they cheaper less complicated, what was the reason for the swaps? Bob
     
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  11. THE FRENCHTOWN FLYER
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    I remember reading somewhere you could buy a Duesenberg Racing crate engine for $700. Of course a Model T Ford car was around $250 then.

    And people think factory crate engines are a relatively new phenomena.
     
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  12. The37Kid
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    [​IMG] Speedy Bill's collection has one, did they make a single and DO 183? I don't know much about Duesenberg race engines. Bob
     
  13. The Duesenberg engines I ever saw were SOHC!
     
  14. The37Kid
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    DSCF7429.JPG They made these too. :) Bob [​IMG][​IMG]

    [​IMG]
     
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  15. Good..NOW I HAVE!

    Thanks, Bob
     
  16. Michael Ferner
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    Duesenberg built one DOHC 183 CID engine, and generally changed over to DOHC for the 122 (lower picture in post #10754) and 91 CID racing engines (top picture). The Larry Beals car got a Model A Duesey engine, mainly because it was cheaper I guess.
     
  17. Bluto
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    GOOD POINT^^^^

    HERE'S TWO OLD FRIENDS WITH THEIR "FOOSENBERG" hal-n-bill.jpg

    I MISS HAL AND BILL
     
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  18. The37Kid
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  19. Bluto
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    YES HE WAS AN OLD FRIEND .... UNTIL HE STARTED CLAIMING THAT "RABBIT" WAS A REAL BROOKLANDS OUTSIDE CAR WHEN WE ALL KNOW THE AUSTY AND HELK BUILT IT AS A JOKE AGAINST THE FAKES.
    BILL JACKSON IS THE ONE THAT CALLED IT THE BENZ-MERCEDES JUST TO TIP PEOPLE OFF..... TOO SUBTLE FOR SOME I GUESS.



     
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  20. ZigZagZ
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  21. THE FRENCHTOWN FLYER
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    Speaking of fakes, here's the "Fake Duesenberg" (actually a crossflow-headed Ford - rare in and of itself) I'm using in my admittedly fake replica champ car.
     

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  22. bugatti7
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  23. Bluto
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    THERE ARE SO VERY FEW TRUE STORIES IN THE BUGATTI WORLD IT IS RARER THAN AN ORIGINAL CAR :rolleyes:
     
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  24. ZigZagZ
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    Mr. Chuck Test has a really nice website with lots of racing ephemera:

    LINK

    Gaston 5 Frontenac.jpg
     
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  25. SteveLines
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    Today remembering a great piece of advice from Bluto who I understand is very ill.

    My thoughts are with you.
     
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  27. Michael Ferner
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    What an intriguing collection of esoteric racing machinery!

    Where is it from?
     
  28. banjeaux bob
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    from alaska

    30167990_1285799991523658_1101649545040672508_o.jpg 30698332_1285799901523667_2390599662025559278_n.jpg 30167882_1285799878190336_5832965413122815510_o.jpg 1938 "Round the House" ARCA race at Alexandria,N.Y. . Looking for information about the car for the folks at Hemmings....
     
  29. jimdillon
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    Bob don't let the E & J headlight haters see that pic. God only knows what they will think.
     
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