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Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by kurtis, Jul 18, 2009.

  1. WillyNilly
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  2. The37Kid
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    I believe that Christie was scrapped by Barney Oldfield, front wheels we cast bronze, must have been quite a scrap payout. Bob
     
  3. WillyNilly
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    If I ever own one, I'm calling it "Chris". :D
     
  4. Vitesse
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    With a 67-mile lap over unmade roads it was a necessary precaution.
     
  5. The37Kid
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    It would be nice to see a close up photo of the right mounted spare, they look a bit odd , but that is to clear the shift and brake levers. Bob
     
  6. banjeaux bob
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  7. The37Kid
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    ^^^^^^^ Someone needs to translate this Bugatti info, think it says the driver is 5 years old. Bob
     
  8. motoklas
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    Bob the Kid,
    Kid is old 10 years when photo is taken, started driving automobiles with 5 years and made a record of 150 km/hour when 8 years old!
    Couldn't imagine what happend with him later?
    Zoran
     
  9. motoklas
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    ..could be the same person?
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    Title under photo:
    1931 Press Photo Albert Derancourt, racing
    "Caption: Major Alexander P. Severskyin NY to Los Angeles records brenhing plane. Additional Information: Major Alexander P. Seversky"
    EDIT: something is strange with text for above photo?


    From "PreWarCar":

    "This is Albert Derancourt who gained some fame in France in the late twenties as being the youngest racing driver. Here depicted years older... at the age of 10. In last weeks quiz he was 8 years old and at the wheel of 1926 Salmson Val 3. Yet he was famous for an even earlier event. At the age of 5 years old he already could drive a car on his own. With the Bugatti depicted here he was 10 and drove around a circuit (Montlhéry ?) at a speed of 150 km/hour... Irresponsible parents !!! We understand Albert didn't live long, the cause of his death is a mystery so far to us." (collection Horwitz)
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    Regards,
    Zoran
     
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  10. banjeaux bob
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    12088139_1046346508738753_2213436836921740173_n.jpg Glenville Race Track, Cleveland around 1903. The Baker Electric Torpedo looks like the most aerodynamic of the lot.
     
  11. banjeaux bob
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    12791109_966552096756768_3095075285393892010_n.jpg A little clearer view of the Salmon Kid.
     
  12. bugatti7
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    Albertine Derancourt with Bugatti 4329 (it is not the Junek-Bugatti)

    4329.JPG
     
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  13. Vitesse
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    An article from Le Parisien, published in 2000. Important to understand that the French word 'pilote' can refer to both a racing driver and an aviator:

    http://www.leparisien.fr/essonne/al...une-pilote-du-monde-20-07-2000-2001514889.php

    Albert Derancourt seems to have been killed in a flying accident in 1955. The article also mentions an American film, never shown in France, but I can find no trace of it on IMDB. Maybe just a newsreel?
     
  14. Vitesse
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    The picture is actually Seversky, founder of Republic Aviation and author of 'Victory Through Air Power'.

    http://acepilots.com/wwi/pio_seversky.html
     
  15. motoklas
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    Vitesse,
    It seesm that Derancourt didn't have a film with Jackie Coogan, or at least not under that title?
    If we do not have more phtos of older Derancourt, there is one with old Coogan from TV-serial "Addams Family"...

    February 6, 1925
    The Lethbridge Herald from Lethbridge, · Page 16
    FRENCH BOY WILL APPEAR IN JACKIE COOSAN PICTURE PARIS, Jan. 2.--(By Mail)--Eight years of age, four feet four Inches in height, but already driving arii automobile at 120 kilometers an hour, Albert Derancourt--Bobert to his intimate friends - leaves for the United States soon to appear with Jackie Coogan in a film. "Do you know 'the Kid'? some one as 'ked Bebert. "Sure," he replied. "Didn't I see him often in the cinema?" The French boy obtained his chauffeur's permit at the age of six and one-half years and recently was granted a driver's license for autotlromes. At the recent opening of the Monthlery speedway - which will be the scene of the 1925 Grand Prix - young Derancourt drove his car for 60 kilometers at the average speed, ofi 120 kilometers an hour. "Do you know what sort of a film yon are going lo appear in over there?" the young prodigy was asked. "Will you drive an automobile?" ... "Certainly." he replied, "otherwise I shouldn't go." ​
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    Zoran
     
  16. banjeaux bob
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  17. LeeStohr
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    I have been writing a series of articles about Christie on the Old Motor.
    http://theoldmotor.com/?s=The+Amazing+Automobiles+of+John+Walter+Christie
    The articles will conclude with some surprising news.
     
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  18. LeeStohr
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    I ran across this nice image of the Chevrolet brothers Indy car. I haven't seen this particular image before. Frontenac Chevrolet a.jpg
     
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  19. jimdillon
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    Lee that is a nice pic. I am guessing that is some of the back area of Indy in 1919. For some reason it looks familiar. I only wish something of these 300 cubic inch cars survived.
     
  20. LeeStohr
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    I would love to be involved in a recreation effort on that car. Amazing design.
     
  21. That is the best profile pic that I've EVER seen of any of those Fronty 300's- thank you for posting it, Lee!!!
     
  22. jimdillon
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    Lee I would love to see a recreation as well. There are really enough pictures and schematics of the engine to do a pretty fair job. All we need is someone with the pocketbook and desire. All in all they were a pretty decent car that held their own in pretty decent company.
     
  23. LeeStohr
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    Yes, it could be done. The car could be recreated full scale in CAD, then castings ordered directly from the CAD files. I've been doing that kind of work.
     
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  25. ZigZagZ
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    I guess I'm late to the party, but that is a wonderful picture Lee! While it could have been taken at Indy, it may have also been shot in Detroit in the spring of 1916, as there are images of the team in front of Louie's house on West Grand Boulevard. The profile is stunning, (I love the tail on this machine), and the image shows the car without the belly pans. Those gas tanks are huge.
     
  26. ZigZagZ
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    Here is another photo of the same car.
     

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  27. The37Kid
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    Great photo Zig Zag Z, for some reason seeing a drivers name on a car this early seams unique. Bob
     
  28. LeeStohr
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    Great photo, I've never seen it before.
     
  29. banjeaux bob
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    941095_554191278074027_6271335447387081154_n.jpg 1910 Vanderbilt Cup Race
     
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  30. THE FRENCHTOWN FLYER
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    Love the nose cone.
    You think it was a qualifying trick, a la tape on the front grille of a NASCAR stock car?
     

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