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  1. carl s
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    2944 - no longer with Miller Marine Engine - Frank Brisko of Raddison, Wisconsin in his own Hisso powered racing car- Mid 1930s
    A Larry Sullivan Photo via Bob Lawrence's 'Hisso website'
    <a href="http://winfield.50megs.com/Adams/Brisko.htm" rel="nofollow">winfield.50megs.com/Adams/Brisko.htm</a>

    <a href="http://winfield.50megs.com/Hisso_Page_2.htm" rel="nofollow">winfield.50megs.com/Hisso_Page_2.htm</a>

    Link to photo album
    https://www.flickr.com/photos/91981316@N06/18185871701/in/album-72157632889773144/

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  2. The37Kid
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    Thanks Carl! I checked the HISSO site but couldn't find the car, glad you did. There sure were a lot of HISSO powered cars back then. Did they run with the stock sump and one block removed, or did someone make a special sump when the V8's were converted to fours? Bob
     
  3. carl s
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    Hi Bob, definitely out of my realm of knowledge but here's an excerpt of what Manuel Lage has to say about the conversion of Hisso aero engines to auto racing purposes - again from our compadre Bob Lawrence's web site -
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    Hispano Suiza in the Aeronautics

    Men, Companies, Engines and Aircraft
    http://winfield.50megs.com/HissoEngine.htm

    fwiw Bob, This photo should help address your comment concerning transverse rear leaf spring and radius rods.
    https://www.flickr.com/photos/91981316@N06/18009494178/in/dateposted-public/
     
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  4. Michael Ferner
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    I believe that Brisko and a few others (like the Ambler Bros. in PA) made special crankcases, but most were probably run with the original case and a plate to close the holes.
     
  5. T-Head
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    One of three 183 Duesenbergs used in the filming of the movie "Skid Proof". More details photos and a video at The Old Motor.
     
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  6. saacha
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    Might some one tell me the history of the Sunbeam 4.9 that sits at the Indianapolis Museum. Is this originally a 1916 Indianapolis car, that latter wins with Alzaga Unzue at Miramas 1924?
     
  7. banjeaux bob
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    Vanderbilt Cup driver Joe Tracey 11390160_528527263952038_3744896600362757511_n.jpg 11393213_528527363952028_1238507880102206717_n.jpg
     
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  8. T-Head
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    The Sensational Comet V-8 – Powered Underslung
    After years of on-and-off-again research, a firm case has been developed proving that this is a Comet racing or test car built in San Francisco by Elbert John Hall. He later went on to form the Hall-Scott Motor Car Company in 1910 with Bert C. Scott and build the Hall-Scott A-2 V-8 aviation engine.
    This car has one of Hall's V-8 engines that was built during the development of the A-2 V-8. Learn the rest of the story at The Old Motor.

     
  9. ZigZagZ
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    Would've, Should've, Could've ...
     

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    Benz Tropfenwagen 1.jpg
     
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  11. banjeaux bob
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    Robert Benoist in Delage. 11018088_10207553434220306_6673338253811175440_n.jpg
     
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    See coverage of the 2015 Goodwood Festival of Speed on The Old Motor.
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  13. banjeaux bob
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    DeV 11046645_10207047749742759_9130454405474239230_n.jpg izcaya in Type 30 Bugatti ,1922 Italian GP Monza
     
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    1932 Monaco GP 11542112_10207284563021283_1299881521649178476_n.jpg
     
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  16. banjeaux bob
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    1914 Indy 500,Peugeot. 11050676_10207072913971849_7361880080942590964_n.jpg
     
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  17. banjeaux bob
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    V-8 Christie ...1910 11705138_10207324047888380_3141018544139001834_n.jpg 11705257_10207324059128661_7627596155597865528_n.jpg 11178315_10207324065368817_1673112460175329047_n.jpg
     
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  18. The37Kid
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    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I knew he got into tank manufacturing, never knew he had any areo stuff. Thanks for posting the photos. Bob
     
  19. Six Ball
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    That's a rough looking bunch! The engine is pretty cool too.
     
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  20. THE FRENCHTOWN FLYER
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    I like the tubes over the plug wires - probably to keep them from flopping around in the turbulence of the air.
     
  21. ZigZagZ
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    Wow, great post Banjeaux Bob, those are terrific photographs! That block looks like a very intricate casting for 1910. Those drive shafts turning the cams are cool too. The oil stains on the air foil below are kind of scary.

    Did this machine fly?
     
  22. banjeaux bob
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    I'm not convinced that there was a Christie aircraft as such. The man in the baggy cap is Charles Keeny Hamilton, a well-known flier of the time, whose career seems to have come to an abrupt halt when he crashed at Boston in late 1910 (he died in 1912 - I suspect from injuries sustained in that crash). Hamilton - who normally flew a Curtiss, but was at the time in dispute with Glenn Curtiss - was a member of the US Gordon Bennett team at the Belmont meeting in 1910, but doesn't appear to have taken part in the races. This Library of Congress picture allegedly shows a plane built by Christie at Belmont - note the prominent 'Curtiss' on the hangar behind it. So perhaps it's not unreasonable to assume that Hamilton - whose dispute with Curtiss was apparently connected with his plane's engine - might have sought an alternative means of propulsion? There are quite a few references to Hamilton in Flight in 1910, although none of them has any details of his machine, apart from the fact that it was a Curtiss.
     
  25. 64 DODGE 440
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    The engine on that aircraft in the Library of Congress photo appears to be of either radial or rotary design, but definitely not the V8 Christie of the earlier picture.
     
  26. WPearce
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    Hello HAMBers,

    Charles Hamilton had a falling out with Glenn Curtiss. Walter Christie built a V-8 for Hamilton (or maybe just sold Hamilton a V-8 he had built), and it was installed in Hamilton's Curtiss Pusher "clone." Separately, Christie built a seven cylinder radial (occasionally, and probably erroneously, called the Christie Six), and two of these engines were installed (push/pull) in an aircraft built by Christie. This aircraft, along with Hamilton's, was displayed at the 1910 Belmont Park Meet. Hamilton's aircraft did fly, but I do not think Christie's aircraft ever did. It seems one radial engine was later (in 1911) installed in an aircraft built by Walter Fairchild. The Christie V-8 was offered for sale in 1914, after Hamilton's death.

    Regards,

    Bill Pearce
     
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  27. The37Kid
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    Welcome to the HAMB Bill, thank you for adding to the general history of things. Bob
     
  28. fnqvmuch
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    hope it's not too off-topic but it seems timely to ask you-all here - what engine is this?
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  29. Kume
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    While we are in the "what engine id this" I stumbled on this rather interesting and obscure twin crank V8
     

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