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August 2012 banger meet

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by Hapydz, Jul 31, 2012.

  1. :eek: AUGUST 2012 Banger Meet

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    <!-- message -->Here is the banger link list .


    For the HAMB banger newbies, here are some links to a lot of banger info:

    Flat Ernie maintains the monthly link list. Every month is listed:

    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...d.php?t=161498



    Banger basics. another info link list:

    http://www.fordgarage.com/

    http://www.billsbangers.com

    http://www.plucks329s.org/index.htm

    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...d.php?t=251717

    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...ad.php?t=42480

    Post #105 of link below shows flywheel lightening dimensions
    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...=470853&page=6

    Model B rod bearing insert numbers
    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...84#post6992484


    Engine tuning with a Vacuum gauge
    http://www.centuryperformance.com/tu...e-spg-148.html

    Adjusting dual Strombergs:
    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...61#post6638461

    Helpful Model A tools and tips:

    http://www.maurer-markus.ch/ford_a/tipps.index.en.html

    Elrod's stuck head tech:

    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...d.php?t=218487

    Model A generator to alternator conversion:

    http://ejwhitneyco.com/automotive.html

    Gear ratio / speed and RPM calculator:

    http://www.accuautoparts.com/calculatorfin.jsp


    Model A master cylinder mounting bracket ideas:

    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...73#post4953173

    Go here to read the 1931 edition of Harry Ricardo's book "The High Speed Internal Combustion Engine"

    http://www.scribd.com/full/40610101?...icdancrnxypd05


    Chevy Banger Stuff

    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...d.php?t=463465

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/22469332/T...e-Ricardo-1931

    Post 198 starts a great discussion of the shape of a flat head combustion chamber

    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...470853&page=10

    Maybe these links should be posted early in each months meeting.

    If anyone knows of more, please post them.
     
  2. Either you are in a hurry or they use a different calendar in canada Its still July where I live!
     
  3. Man, this is my last day before preplanning at school- PLEASE don't take it away :)!!!
     
  4. I take it you are just looking for engine parts. I have quite a few body trim parts, door handles headlights and so forth
     
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  5. Bill,

    I'm pretty good with trim, etc right now (and had to put the speedster on the back-burner while I get my daily friver going), but will let you know if that changes.

    Thanks, Bill
     
  6. Muttley
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    I'm replacing the stock distributor cap on my Dad's Model A with a modern version and some cloth braided wires. The new cap is marked with numbers on the top but I'm not even sure what the original firing order for this thing is. Are the cylinders 1-2-3-4 from front to rear? Here's a diagram of the numbers on the cap:

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  7. Yes Bill but not everyone on the HAMB lives where you live.. I did this for the Banger Boys Down Under....:D
    Ron
     
  8. BCCHOPIT
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    Order is 1 2 4 3
    yes....
     
  9. Muttley
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    Cool deal. That doesnt really make sense to me though. If the firing order is 1-2-3-4 why isnt the cap 1-2-3-4 in a counter clockwise circle instead of 1-2-4-3?
     
  10. BCCHOPIT
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    My bad I was look at your pic
    Order is 1243
     
  11. RussTee
    Joined: Mar 25, 2008
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    yay it is the the first down here progress on the car rebuild is steady as soon as i have spring perches arrive it will be drivable again repaint and maybe new upholstery to go aiming for the Beachhop in our northern island March next year hopping it will be a higher standard but keeping its period style the temptations to go modern are great.
     
  12. MrModelT
    Joined: Nov 11, 2008
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    Got my heap running last weekend...

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  13. noboD
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    Clayton, I'll be looking for you in B-ville.
     
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  15. Mr Model T

    I like your "T". I tried to quote your post but I received an error message.
     
  16. Muttley
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    So like this then?

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  17. Muttley, I think the firing order is 1-2-4-3,

    but the cylinder order is 1, 2, 3, 4 from front to back.
     
  18. Crazydaddyo
    Joined: Apr 6, 2008
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    Took parts to Taylor Engine to get the new engine started today.


    .
     
  19. BCCHOPIT
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    ^^^^^
    What did you do to the old one
     
  20. Bluto
    Joined: Feb 15, 2005
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    Craz

    How come your not building your engine?
     
  21. Crazydaddyo
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    The old one is tired. It was well used when I got it. I put 10,000 hard miles on it since 2009.

    I don't have the time or all of the equipment to do the machine work myself. I'll do the assembly, they will do most of the machine work.

    .
     
  22. BCCHOPIT
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    To the top for Steve :)
     
  23. V4F
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    from middle ca.

    firing order for model "A"

    Order is 1243 *cylinders are 1234 from the front .........


    if still having trouble , email .... kzsteve@yahoo.com
     

  24. The old wing cap made the wire connections easy. The wires from the cap to the plugs did not cross each other because they were copper brass and not insulated. The cross over was made inside the cap. Excellent basic engineering so anybody could not mess up the firing order.
     
  25. MrModelT
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    Thanks Sturgis! Hopefully it will make it to Bonneville next week. :D
     
  26. daredevilcustoms
    Joined: Aug 18, 2008
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    from Ohio

    Got the car running, almost. It starts right up but it feels like I'm chasing my tail getting the Winfield carburetor tuned right. It's a model T engine with a Rajo B overhead. The carburetor is a single BB Model S. First problem is the fuel pressure. I'm using a hand pump to pressurize the tank to a maximum of 2 P.S.I.. Even then the carburetor wants to leak between the float bowl cover and the strainer bowl and the float bowl cover and the float bowl. New gaskets without sealant and the surfaces are flat and without cracks. Should I expect some leakage? The engine was stumbling so I lowered the float. The level was at the bottom of the inspection hole. I lowered the level approx 1/32” and that seemed to take care of the stumbling and coincidentally the carburetor doesn't leak as bad. At higher RPM the engine backfires through the carburetor so I assumed it was leaning out. I've got the idle set at 20 clicks, the intermediate at 36 and the high speed at 42. The needles are the earlier blunt style so the greater the number of clicks. It still wants to backfire through the carburetor when I push it hard. Is the float level now too low?


    I'm running a Bosch DU4 magneto with the gap set at 0.012. Plugs are Autolite 3923 gaped at 0.018


    I'm hoping someone has had or has a similar setup and share some “secrets”. The last AARA race is in September and I'm hoping to make it, but I'd rather have the car running well now, rather than tune it at the track. Thanks

     
  27. brokenspoke
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    I would get rid of the glass gas filter....IMHO...I cant help you on your guestion...cool car tho
     
  28. You will get some leakage with new gaskets if the mating areas on the fuel filler housing are not flat, sometimes you can use a small bead of Pern #2 applied with a tooth pick. The float level needs to be correct as stated in literature, right to bottom of threads. Not sure about early blunt needles. All of the needles I have checked were/are 13 degrees on a side. Many needles are bent when replacing float chamber cover. I have set them by printed instructions, air fuel meter, and color tune. But not on an engine like yours. I usually don't have to open the intermediate that far. The idle needle, contrary to what C Yapp Quotes, controls the air. The fuel available to the idle circuit is from the intermediate well so basic fuel/float level inters into correct settings. I'm sure you have noticed that there are slots cut into the float chamber and fuel will splash there. The air bleeds should be checked with pins or drill shanks as quite a few have been opened up.
    I do run Winfield's All of the carburetors shown are BB's and all have #28 air bleeds Notice that the side drafts have been "tweaked" slightly on the flanges so they are level for tuning. The clock speed is for the flathead. 2 pounds pressure is okay if the float needle seats good, I lap mine in, made a tool to hold needle parallel, have held higher pressure but not necessary, 1.5 will do.
     

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  29. daredevilcustoms
    Joined: Aug 18, 2008
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    from Ohio

    Thanks, I'm convinced I'm causing some of the problems myself. I've got a Quick Fuel pressure regulator ordered to keep the fuel pressure below 2 lbs. and I'm going to raise the fuel level to just below the inspection hole and we'll see what happens. Some pics of the final assembly:
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  30. A comment on changing the float level on Winfield carburetors. I take the float chamber cover off and remove the lever from the cover and bend the flat brass lever in a vise using a small square to measure amount. You only have to break one of the bosses out by leveraging against the cap to change level to know why. I also back the adjusting screws out after counting clicks. They are easy to bend or blunt the points by misalignment when replacing the cap. This is not legend or myth but the voice of experience!
     
    Last edited: Aug 7, 2012

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