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Technical April Showers Bring Banger Power

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  1. Crazydaddyo
    Joined: Apr 6, 2008
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    Here is the banger link list .


    For the HAMB banger newbies, here are some links to a lot of banger info:

    Flat Ernie maintains the monthly link list. Every month is listed:

    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...d.php?t=161498



    Banger basics. another info link list:

    http://www.fordgarage.com/

    http://www.plucks329s.org/index.htm

    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...d.php?t=251717

    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...ad.php?t=42480

    Post #105 of link below shows flywheel lightening dimensions
    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=470853&page=6

    Model B rod bearing insert numbers
    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?p=6992484#post6992484


    Engine tuning with a Vacuum gauge
    http://www.centuryperformance.com/tuning-with-a-vacuum-gauge-spg-148.html

    Adjusting dual Strombergs:
    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?p=6638461#post6638461

    Helpful Model A tools and tips:

    http://www.maurer-markus.ch/ford_a/tipps.index.en.html

    Gary in MN's late model Malory distributor conversion for A/B engine:

    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9147025&postcount=109

    Elrod's stuck head tech:

    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=218487

    Model A generator to alternator conversion:

    http://ejwhitneyco.com/automotive.html

    Gear ratio / speed and RPM calculator:

    http://www.accuautoparts.com/calculator.php


    Model A master cylinder mounting bracket ideas:

    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...73#post4953173

    Go here to read the 1931 edition of Harry Ricardo's book "The High Speed Internal Combustion Engine"

    http://www.scribd.com/full/40610101?access_key=key-w2bcjicdancrnxypd05


    Chevy Banger Stuff

    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...d.php?t=463465

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/22469332/The-High-Speed-Internal-Combustion-Engine-Ricardo-1931

    Post 198 starts a great discussion of the shape of a flat head combustion chamber

    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=470853&page=10

    Maybe these links should be posted early in each months meeting.

    If anyone knows of more, please post them.
     
  2. Crazydaddyo
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  3. johnneilson
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    Sounds like Tod will be busy.
     
  4. denis4x4
    Joined: Apr 23, 2005
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    I'm anxious to see the pricing. The B block with an OHV would be killer.


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  5. wow.... just bought a factory rebuild banger still in the crate off CL with tags to boot...how'd you break it in ???



    oh....and happy April....fools...
     
  6. RussTee
    Joined: Mar 25, 2008
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    Please read the threads on this new block its your chance to have an imput its a great project and well on the way a great effort.
     
  7. Bluto
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    Bob

    Please resize that photo
     
  8. briphaeton
    Joined: Dec 29, 2011
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    from cal

    Thanks John for your reply. Here is a photo of the 235 M-45 oil pump on a friends engine, also notice the 283 pistons. You can see that the inlet was moved to the bottom of the pump. I need to know if the outlet was changed to go through the upper pumps body or if it ran with a outside pipe to the top of the pump. A photo from the back side would tell. I like the idea of running this pump because of the larger diameter of the gears and that they are only $66 dollars from Summit.
    Thanks again
    Brian
     

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  10. Bob,
    Sorry, I haven't seen that car!

    I don't know the heritage of my car. It, like most, is a no-name, unsung vestage of a long past time. All I know is: It lurks in my garage, sucking up tons of dough! :rolleyes: But, we should have it ready for Buttonwillow Raceway on May 4th and 5th!

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  11. Bluto, I took the liberty of resizing (I hope).
    Ron
     

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  12. Bluto
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    only Bob can fix his post :)
     
  13. jkeesey
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    Pictures fine on the mobile app.
     
  14. The37Kid
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    Thanks Hapydz! This is a resized photo of the Ansen Special taken somewere arould LA in the early 1950's. Were is the car or the remains today? I'd like to find it.Note the curve to the cowl/firewall, an ID feature unique to this car. Bob [​IMG]
     
  15. Bluto
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    Moble App? ......... Sure Whatever
     
  16. denis4x4
    Joined: Apr 23, 2005
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    Need rocker arm/valve and torque specs for an original CRAGAR head.
     
  17. Although not quite as fancy as a race car. I picked up this dual updraft setup, a Police head, and a B dizzy this month. I dropped the pan for the first time to check the bearing clearances and check for sludge. Everything checked out and was sludge free. The good news is I have adjustable lifters! I hoping to have the pan back on this weekend and the valves checked and adjusted as needed. I still need to pull the head off the motor it came on and my head also. There's also the crappy repo muffler that doesn't fit right that I need to deal with. Its like 1/2" short between the engine and the hanger bolt. I'm really hoping to have the car back on the road by the end of the month.
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  18. briphaeton
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    Hi Denis4x4
    I just found my instructions for installing the Denver Miller Head, and it says
    12) Loosenall rocker arm screws, and tighten the rocker arm hold down bolts and nuts on studs to 30/35 foot pounds of torque. I'm sure it would also apply to yours.
    Brian
     
  19. denis4x4
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    Thanks for the info on the CRAGAR. Mine is an orginal head and the torque specs are 50-55 pounds. Got the rockers adjusted to .013".
     
  20. briphaeton
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    Both head bolt torque and valve clearance are correct. My instructions
    call for .012 but .013 is what I used. Usually you would use what your cam grinder would recommend unless your running a stock cam.
    Brian
     
  21. RussTee
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    Bluto hows the progress on the Hal motor we have not seen much of it recently I know it is a huge project but it is one of the most interesting.
     
  22. cw
    Joined: Jul 13, 2008
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    from Midland

    Here is our gen. 5 setup. Winfield head, downdraft, headers and dual strombergs in 29 82a. ... just moving the weakest link around :sly: 1397312014740.jpg
     
  23. V4F
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    from middle ca.

    anyone running a 32/36 weber on a banger ? need help on jetting ... steve
     
  24. joemac05
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    Yes, I am. Stock jetting is perfect: HOWEVER....

    Being a later emissions style carb I used it was way too lean in the idle circuit and off idle, part throttle circuit. This was quite evident in engine operation and in testing with an wide band AFR meter.

    The idle circuit has enough adjustment to easily clean that up. Also this later style carb has a sealed adjustable part throttle screw. Removing the plug allows for simple adjustment of the off idle part throttle mixture to perfection. This thing runs like a champ. I actually have the throttle linkage set to kind of hold back a bit from WOT to keep me from running the bag right off the poor thing. :eek::eek: :D

    It's a model B block with a cam, large valves and a HC head.
     
  25. V4F
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    from middle ca.

    my idle is rich but it seems my top is lean . I have jest coming to try & fix . it seems as this lion3 head flows much more air . any experience with a lion ?
    thank you joe
     
  26. Anyone attending either of these events? I may be there this weekend not in my car though :(
    Nor-Cal Model A's
    Nor-Cal F.A.S.T. (Ford A Speed Technology) is having their annual SPEEDSTER/BANGER meeting at Sacramento Vintage Ford on Saturday April 19th from 10:00-12:00. Please join us for some serious tire kicking and performance Model A & T talk. Drive or tow your car. We would all love to see it. All are welcome! Thanks, Steve

    DON'T FORGET OUR ANNUAL AUBURN HILL CLIMB & SEMINAR APRIL 26TH
     
  27. joemac05
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    I do not have a Lyon head and have never used one.

    Any used carb you get these days will have a history and it may be an ugly one.

    Assuming (a big if) no one has been drilling in the carb itself I would use the carb number to get the OEM jet sizes in there. Failing that make friends with someone who has a portable wide band oxygen sensor setup and do a proper analysis. Seat of the pants carb tuning is enough to make anyone cry.
     
  28. V4F
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    from middle ca.

    its mine , bought it new . need to start over as you said ... thanks .. steve
     
  29. Here's my '22 T tub, to run Model A engine dual carbs Mallory ignition and T5. I started a build thread on here
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