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Technical ***April 2024 Banger Meet Thread - Don't Be Fooled Accept No Substitutes***

Discussion in 'Traditional Hot Rods' started by Jiminy, Apr 1, 2024.

  1. Jiminy
    Joined: Oct 25, 2012
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    Link to previous month: March 2024 Banger Meet

    Coming Events: (PM Jiminy with additions/corrections)
    May 26, 2024 4 Ever 4 Antique Nationals at Irwindale Raceway in SoCal.

    Stay safe.


    For the HAMB banger newbies, here are some links to a lot of banger info:

    Jim Brierley's book 4-bangers! And me! is a must read book for all banger enthusiasts. US customers send $34.00 all color except for the oldest pictures (includes S/H in the U.S.A.), PayPal welcome, to:
    Jim Brierley, 39480 Colleen Way, Temecula, CA 92592.
    email: [email protected]
    phone: 951-695-7313.


    A few links to speed equipment companies there may be more
    https://specialtymotorcams.com/index.php#header
    http://www.millerhi-speedheads.com/index.html
    http://www.modelatrader.com/brumfield/brumfield.html
    https://www.hotforhotfours.com/advertisers.htm
    https://www.secretsofspeed.com/speed-parts

    Bert's, Synder's, Mikes affordable also list some speed performance parts.

    Here is a list of most of the prior monthly banger meet links:
    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...d.php?t=161498


    Banger basics. another info link list:
    http://www.fordgarage.com/


    http://www.plucks329s.org/index.htm

    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...d.php?t=251717

    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...ad.php?t=42480

    The link below shows flywheel lightening dimensions
    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/threads/may-bang-er-thread.470853/page-4#post-5212157
    and this link shows the missing image from the above post
    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/...-work-on-bangers.1010716/page-3#post-11427055


    The 4 Banger hot rod picture thread.
    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/threads/the-4-banger-hot-rod-picture-thread.997051/


    Model B rod bearing insert numbers
    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?p=6992484#post6992484


    Engine tuning with a Vacuum gauge
    http://web.archive.org/web/20120415...e.com/tuning-with-a-vacuum-gauge-spg-148.html


    Adjusting dual Strombergs:
    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?p=6638461#post6638461


    Helpful Model A tools and tips:
    http://www.maurer-markus.ch/ford_a/tipps.index.en.html


    Gary in MN's late model Malory distributor conversion for A/B engine:
    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9147025&postcount=109


    Elrod's stuck head tech:
    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=218487


    Model A generator to alternator conversion:
    http://ejwhitneyco.com/automotive.html


    Gear ratio / speed and RPM calculator:
    http://www.accuautoparts.com/calculator.php


    Model A master cylinder mounting bracket ideas:
    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...73#post4953173


    Go here to read the 1931 edition of Harry Ricardo's book "The High Speed Internal Combustion Engine"
    http://www.scribd.com/full/40610101?access_key=key-w2bcjicdancrnxypd05


    Chevy Banger Stuff
    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...d.php?t=463465


    Post 198 starts a great discussion of the shape of a flat head combustion chamber
    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=470853&page=10


    T-5 5 speed in a Torque Tube:
    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=256226


    Model A & B Style Cast Iron Cylinder Head Compression Ratios.
    http://www.fordgarage.com/pages/headcompressionratio.htm
     
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  2. 4BangerDean
    Joined: Aug 10, 2013
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    After a little time off from the Model B I’m back at it. I needed to focus on the homestretch of physical therapy (extensive shoulder reconstruction) and a return to work. Needless to say it’s great to have that behind me and to focus on working on a 92 year old truck.
    As it sits right now. I want to be driving it May 1. IMG_5672.jpeg
     
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  3. denis4x4
    Joined: Apr 23, 2005
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    from Colorado

    Will finally install my Bert’s engine in the 29 CCPU this month
     
  4. Checking in
     
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  5. Airborne34
    Joined: Dec 4, 2007
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    from Texas

    Checking In!
     
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  6. winduptoy
    Joined: Feb 19, 2013
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    Thinking about checking in....been rebuilding T coils for a buddy and we will see if we can make it run IMG_20240331_085359295.jpg out with the old capacitor...
    They time so much better with a good capacitor....
     
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  7. The37Kid
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    Walked past Dad's Roadster, May be time to remove the plugs and pour some Kroil in the cylinders.
     
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  8. winduptoy
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    I prefer Marvel Misery Oil myself....
    Shoot a picture of it to post when you do do you can refresh my old memory
     
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  9. Stovebolt
    Joined: May 2, 2001
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    Time for re-do.

    I've replaced the frayed wire as a temporary fix for my wiring issues.

    Next step is the design and sourcing of the new wiring components for a total rewire.

    Anyone converted an F100 steering box to suit a model A light switch?
     
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  10. fur biscuit
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    About to disappear again, back to chasing a leak in the irrigation system...can't waste water. Happy spring! 71517367-7A32-4E23-9772-0FAA26838D26.jpeg
     
  11. Dan from Oakland
    Joined: Jan 16, 2009
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    "Thinking about checking in....been rebuilding T coils for a buddy and we will see if we can make it run".

    Make sure you get the high DV/DT caps.
     
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  12. 29Sleeper
    Joined: Oct 25, 2023
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    from SoCal

    A bigger than expected tax refund makes me think of using a Burtz instead of my B w/C crank for my flathead build. I'll still use my other B for my Rutherford OHV race motor.
    If you're in SoCal mark your calendars for the 14th
    Antique-Nats_Louvers-T_COLORED_New-Date-2024_2-scaled.jpg
     
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  13. Crazydaddyo
    Joined: Apr 6, 2008
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    I've registered Pop's truck for the Nats. Be there or be square.


    Pops PU 01.jpg
     
  14. Outback
    Joined: Mar 4, 2005
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    No news here, except I'm still here....
     
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  15. Kevin Pharis
    Joined: Aug 22, 2020
    Posts: 570

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    Still here! Been working on everyone else’s stuff rather than my own lately. Kinda pissed at my car right now… but will get back at it soon enough.

    Right now working on building up a set of 72 spoke 26” Houk wires for an 1920 Indy 500 recreation. Gettin closer…

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  16. The37Kid
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    Like all things that get reproduced there has to be a pile of equipment to drill & dimple holes, make rims & hubs and just plot the placement of holes. Nicely done, always enjoy looking at stuff like this. Bob
     
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  17. wuga
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    We are in the process of building another banger using a S10 T5 this time, used a jeep the last time. I just talked to Dave at Performance Metalworks for the adaptor using the AA bellhousing and the rear closed driveshaft adaptor. He has it all. T5s, especially the 4WD type are getting hard to find, so he has started making adaptors for the AX-5 which was used in Jeeps after the T5. It is slightly smaller and found in many different product lines and about the same strength as the T5. I am just mentioning all this because T5s have and are very popular in bangers.
    Warren
     
  18. fur biscuit
    Joined: Jul 22, 2005
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    Cylinder scuffing question (ordered 0.040 over rings), getting ready to order a hone, is there a preference for grit? The interwebs says 180 to 240. As there isn't any significant wear or nastiness, thinking that a nice refresh and crosshatching and property gapped rings are the path forward.
     
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  19. phfireman
    Joined: Oct 8, 2011
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    Checking in and am curious for those of you in the Southeast which event you would recommend to find parts for my 30 Coupe. The Charlotte Auto Fair or the Moultrie Swap Meet? I am pretty much equal distance from each event.
     
  20. Outback
    Joined: Mar 4, 2005
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    from NE Vic

    I was taught that the cross hatching should be as close to 90° as possible. Not sure about grades
     
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  21. lahti35
    Joined: May 23, 2004
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    Is anyone running one of the Dan 4 Banger finned 7.1 flatheads with the model B water pump? Like it or no?
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  22. 4BangerDean
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    I’d be interested as well. This head has been on my radar.
     
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  23. lahti35
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    Mine too, I like the idea of running the B water pump. My google foo hasn't turned up any reviews or anyone who has/is running this head so no luck there.
     
  24. 29Sleeper
    Joined: Oct 25, 2023
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    A good B pump is harder to find and more expensive than an A one.
    Dan gets $425 for his aluminum repop.
     
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  25. winduptoy
    Joined: Feb 19, 2013
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    For you guys asking....I have a banger acquaintance that is running an older casting of the Thomas head that 4 Banger Dan Price made. His car runs reasonable with a Stipe 330 cam, a little larger intake valves, downdraft intake with a Holley 48 carb. As I recall he is running a B dizzy.
    It is a noticeable increase from stock. Dans new head has some improvements
    I have a couple B water pumps, both leakless conversions that could be had to help with my travel funds for wearing out my bangers
    Larry
     
  26. Outback
    Joined: Mar 4, 2005
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    Outback
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    from NE Vic

    There's also some patterns being worked on at the moment for an Aussie made banger head, no more details than that at this stage, but this guy gets things done, so looking forward to seeing it :D
     
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  27. Outback
    Joined: Mar 4, 2005
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    Outback
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    img_4_1712450875066.jpg img_3_1712450803310.jpg img_2_1712450792084.jpg When off the shelf won't do! :)
    No my work, but for the regular's at the monthly banger meet you'll recognize the exhaust work :D
     
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  28. 282doorUK
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  29. 4BangerDean
    Joined: Aug 10, 2013
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    IMG_5795.jpeg IMG_5798.jpeg IMG_5797.jpeg
    While we are talking about heads. What does the group think of this one? I bought it a year and half ago used but “new” before I knew anything. I still know nothing but I’m committed to banger building.
    Anyways, I lack confidence in who made it and I believed it could have have been machined or (finished?) better than it was. It definitely has had some handy work done for valve relief that looks inconsistent at best. It seems that it would need to be cleaned up and should be matched, Please educate me.
     
  30. Dan from Oakland
    Joined: Jan 16, 2009
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    If ya got it- run it and see how you like the result. Looks like an OK casting. Watch your deck clearance and piston height- A block that has been surfaced a bunch will present issues, and then you are looking at special pistons or finding some that have enough meat in the dome to get a zero deck height. Gonna be lots of compression, so watch your timing.
    A little die grinder work with a burr and a few cartridge rolls and the valve pockets can be blended in. You could run it like it is and probably never know the difference, but you will sleep better at night knowing you did it right. Nothing wakes up a banger like a good cam and lots of compression.
     
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