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  1. JimSibley
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    I got a buddy that is wanting to build a car like it. Any pics? 7F7D3E41-7A6F-4298-9538-CE2C434CA41B.jpeg
     
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  2. rudestude
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    Not the exact car , but you did say he wants to build a car like it , the car posted , so I figured these are like or close to it. 16794733541974659793803169190949.jpg 16794734956155304912461949727168.jpg 16794738000355321165122922462862.jpg 16794732251246217632171095292399.jpg 16794732497011276118821597719591.jpg 16794731923147609603180691092141.jpg
     
  3. millersgarage
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    pretty sure that last photo, car #54 is the same car.
    Victoria
     
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  4. catdad49
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    54.jpg Jim, this was in a mag way back when. I can't remember more that than, but I rarely forget a Car!
     
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  5. elgringo71
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    Here is more information on it towards the bottom


     
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  7. elgringo71
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    And there is another low drag Vicky that was raced by the Vulcans
     
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    There's a holdup in the Bronx

    Brooklyn's broken out in strife

    There's a traffic jamb in Harlem that's backed up to Jackson Heights

    There's a scout troop short a child

    Khrushchev's due at Idlewild

    Car 54 where are you?

    20220528_210328.jpg Here's the 54...
     
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  9. '34 Terraplane
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    Pretty sure the car was featured in a mid-60's magazine called Modern Rod (not the same magazine as the more recent Modern Rodding) I'm sure I have that magazine. Just where....well that's another question.
     
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  10. catdad49
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    Thanks, Terraplane! I know where mine is, back in a bit. No feature, but a couple more pics, one with some info. IMG_3768.jpg IMG_3769.jpg
     
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  12. Moriarity
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    I think these are different cars.

    Look at the width of the rear window on the first car compared to the others. also no visible frame rails and a "smiley" front axle and the angle of the cage

    vic1.jpeg

    The second car has a visible frame full of lightning holes and a narrow rear window and a rounded cage hoop

    vic2.jpg
    This could be the same as the second car but has a different front axle and front wheels
    vic3.jpg
     
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  13. Tim
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    EC14387C-1F57-43C3-900E-ED41811B5474.jpeg Yup drilled frame car is the same car but is it the first car? Maybe a later version Maybe the same crew? Awfully similar
     
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  14. Fordors
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    I think they are the same car, the magazine car was updated to the 18” twelve spokes in the last photo. The first photo is a later iteration of the original, similar to the Vulcan’s Vicky that was cloned in later years.
     
  15. Moriarity
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    so, the first car is a clone or recreation? it clearly has a really wide rear window, different roll bar and is channeled over the frame
     
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  16. Fordors
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    Yes Mark, I believe it was built to represent the vibe of the original yet meet present day chassis rules and be competitive at the drags. The Vulcan’s car is similar but not matching either and is raced, a true recreation couldn’t run competitively it would basically be a showpiece.
     
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  17. Well at least the same body with that stripe on the same white roof
     
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  19. catdad49
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    Modern Rod became Drag Strip magazine a few issues later, maybe it was featured in there. I will look, fingers crossed!
     
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  21. JimSibley
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    Man, leave it to the hamb! Thanks for all of the info.
     
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  22. jnaki
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    ANYONE HAVE PICS OF THIS OLD DRAG CAR?
    upload_2023-3-23_6-47-18.png No, but I cleaned up the old photo for a clearer look at this cool sedan.

    Hello,

    @elgringo71 ...Thanks for finding the post on the match race at Lion's Dragstrip. It was one of the first cross class races back then. Times have made researching easier, but some facts are still missing, since it depends on who is writing what and when they post the information for the internet facts searching. Not hearsay, but actual certifiable facts.

    As the Gas Coupe and Sedan classes were still popular, one part of this weekend in 1964 was what was going to happen (and did happen to the Gas Coupes/Sedans) to the whole street legal hot rods and coupes/sedans/roadsters. Get lumped into the match race events and have the class eliminated for the more popular top fuel and funny cars later on in the history timeline.


    This original story and color photos were written/taken about the debut of my friend, Atts Ono’s immaculate 40 Willys Coupe at Lion’s Dragstrip in 1964. But, as the years passed, digging up more researching facts showed another race that took place during the same weekend. Another new Willys Coupe build was also making its debut at the All Gas Coupe/Sedan Drag Race weekend. The Black, new build, Stone, Woods, Cook Willys Coupe made its grand debut in high fashion. The results are on the HAMB and in the 1964 edition of the Drag News weekly paper.

    I was set to go on Sunday, the day of Atts Ono’s debut. But, I had no inclination to go on Saturday to see the match race. There was still something in the air that prevented me from going on Saturday. Then I read all about it and would have been there to record the match race. That is the way life goes…

    From an earlier HAMB post.


    History is sometimes confusing. The Gas Coupe and Sedan classes were going through some changes not all good, but none the less, changes were made. So, the need for lighter, faster, more powerful Gas Coupes and Sedans were on their way and who cares if the moniker of “street legal” is listed as part the class rules.


    Here is a synopsis of the origin of the black Willys Coupe of SWC, that also made its debut at the All Gas Coupe and Sedan Races held at Lion’s Dragstrip in 1964.
    upload_2023-3-23_6-51-7.png 1964
    “In 1964 the A/GS car was painted black and given a Hemi. It was a terror and set several records. The black car was run for one season, 1964. It was known as the "Black Widow". The car did not get the magazine attention because it was not photogenic in black. Most of the photos you see are B&W…”
    thanks...
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    In April 1964, the new lighter-weight Willys, informally referred to as Black Widow because of its black paint scheme was fitted with a fiberglass front end as well as various other lightweight components to make the most out of the new rules. The new Willys made use of another blown Olds Engine, only this time it was a 467 c.i. Olds. Still, the car weighed nearly 1,000 pounds less than Swindler II.

    I just happened to be at Lion’s Dragstrip in 1964 for the biggest, All Gas Coupe/Sedan Meet. I was invited to film the debut of our friend and fellow Willys builder, Atts Ono. He helped us with our 1940 Willys 671 SBC coupe and now, after years of painstaking work, he was ready to make his own debut. What a meet to make a debut.

    1964 Lions SWC single run

    upload_2023-3-23_6-53-31.png The powerful motor sent tons of horsepower to the rear, making the front end rise. it is not the high in the air front end fake gas coupe look that showed up in the following months and years. Those copies wanted to be like SWC, but could not emulate the power, so "up in the air" was the set up as a copy cat.

    Almost every powerful Willys Coupe and/or Sedans/Trucks, made an appearance at Lion’s Dragstrip on that day. These are the only SWC film clips available from that past historic event.
    upload_2023-3-23_6-59-47.png


    Jnaki

    Extra note:
    The SWC camp just came off of a match race against the Northwest’s fabled, Don Wilbur-Vern Massey Ford Modified Sedan, in the event the day before, on Saturday night. Match racing was rare and it was just starting to gain some footage as a means of competition challenges. For some, it was the next step in seeing the overall winner from two different classes and builds. It was good and bad.


    Good to see competition between classes, if the e.t. times were almost equal. But, bad for the individual classes within the whole class system of normal racers in the street legal classes. We all saw coming in the 65-66 time period to the death of individual class racing like it has since the beginning. Just reading the emphasis of the Drag News from all class coverage from all over the USA to simply showcasing the top fuel and factory FX Class racers, until they morphed into funny cars. Then it all went to crapola and money sponsorship approval to race…

    So, the missed event on Saturday turned into the races on Sunday, SWC competed in the All Gas Coupe and Sedan drag meet.
    upload_2023-3-23_7-2-7.png It doesn’t matter which sedan anyone likes, it was one good looking powerful race car.
    upload_2023-3-23_7-9-7.png


    “Coming down from Davenport, Washington to race Stone-Woods-Cook tonight was Don Wilbur- Vern Massey’s little DFMC. It’s a sanitary early Ford sedan with a 267 inch Chevy on fuel. The block is of the 1958 vintage. Home strip is Deer Park, Washington. The best time for the car is 9.80-150.00. The driver is Vern Masse, 28 and single."

    "He makes his home in Spokane, Washington and has been around the sport some 10 years. The mechanic is Don Wilbur, 24 and single who makes his home in Davenport, Washington. The best the boys could get out of the car this evening was a 10.60-144.00. They had mixed feelings about Southern California. But both said the racing plants out here are boss.”

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  23. rudestude
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    Just found this shot. 16796048779184126241963776321814.jpg
     
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  24. rudestude
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    The Vulcans Vicky was a 32 Vicky first appearing around 61 and I believe it is still being raced. 16796169640027020150082288447371.jpg 16796168886346344711624677149371.jpg
     
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  25. rudestude
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    Sorry forgot to mention the first car in the above post is not the original car , the original car was built by the Vulcans car club members.
    The new car is a completely different car ,infact the body is a 32 sedan converted to a Vicky and has a whole lot of Hemi.
     
  26. catdad49
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    Just for you, Jnaki! Atts Ono.jpg !
     
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