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Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by 64deville, Feb 22, 2006.

  1. gimpyshotrods
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    Chevy S10. Circa 1986 (3.76 gearset). There's a list of parts in this thread. The setup applies to the early small-6 bell: http://jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=835970

    Later 6's got a bigger bell. Mid-60's sixes had both patterns on the back of the block. I am not certain about the depth of the later bell. Classic inlines has an adapter for that bell, but that puts you into a Ford-spec T5. Those tend to have higher gear ratios, which may be unstable for the little six. That will depend on the rear tire size AND the rear end ratio.

    Also, the Ford-spec T5 has a shifter tower that will require that you cut into, or through the unibody cross-support. If you decide to do this, a much beefier crossmember will have to be fashioned and attached, to recreate that structure. The S10 T5 does not require this cut.

    Ernie has an awesome write-up on T5's here: http://www.flatheadv8.org/ernie/ernie-t5.htm

    It is Flathead oriented, but the transmission info is more complete, and correct, than any other source.
     
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  2. gimpyshotrods
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    I see that you have a "late-model" Falcon. We're not going to be able to talk about the car here, so let's just focus on the engine, transmission, and rear end. Those are good-to-go.

    Which engine do you have, and which transmission does it have now?
     
  3. NeonGodzilla
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    I've got a 200 with a 3 speed.

    Revernd Paul
     
  4. gimpyshotrods
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    Do you know your rear axle ratio? What is the rear tire size?

    The 200 might be okay with a Mustang T5, whereas a 144 probably would not be.
     
  5. NeonGodzilla
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    I'm not sure of rear end gearing. The rear tires are 225/70/14. So they are almost 26 1/2".

    Revernd Paul
     
  6. gimpyshotrods
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    Check your build-tag and see if there is an axle code on it. That way, I can figure the ratios/rpm's/speed.

    http://www.mercurystuff.com/pdfs/1969-ford-lincoln-mercury-vehicle-identification.pdf

    My only concern would be the ratio spread between 4th and 5th. The WC Mustang T5 has a drop from 1.00:1 to 0.68:1.

    The good news is, 5th is a separate gear-set, and is in the tail housing. They are interchangeable. If 5th proves too tall, it, alone, can be swapped.
     
  7. NeonGodzilla
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    I'll check it out when I get home. I like the idea of not cutting the unibody support.

    Revernd Paul
     
  8. gimpyshotrods
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    Seeing that you have a 1969, you might not have to. Pre-V8 Falcons have a tiny tunnel. By '69, as far as I know, they were all larger, V8, or not.

    The crossmember in the kit, either way, is strong enough to make up for it.
     
  9. NeonGodzilla
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    My luck strikes again! Home from work I check my axle code "8". Its not on the link you posted!
     
  10. gimpyshotrods
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    Hmmm. Let me check some stuff...
     
  11. gimpyshotrods
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    8 is 3.20:1. It is a 1970 axle code. Ford's changeover dates on parts were never quite exact.
     
  12. gimpyshotrods
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    You will see here where the 4th to 5th shift might be an issue. Remember, 4th on the T5 is the same as the 3rd that you have now. With the 0.68:1 5th, you will likely be lugging at 65 mph.
    <table frame="VOID" cols="11" rules="NONE" border="0" cellspacing="0"><colgroup><col width="124"><col width="86"><col width="119"><col width="119"><col width="86"><col width="86"><col width="86"><col width="86"><col width="86"><col width="86"><col width="86"></colgroup><tbody><tr><td height="17" width="124" align="LEFT">
    </td><td width="86" align="LEFT">RPM</td><td width="119" align="RIGHT">1000.00</td><td width="119" align="RIGHT">1500.00</td><td width="86" align="RIGHT">2000.00</td><td width="86" align="RIGHT">2500.00</td><td width="86" align="RIGHT">3000.00</td><td width="86" align="RIGHT">3500.00</td><td width="86" align="RIGHT">4000.00</td><td width="86" align="RIGHT">4500.00</td><td width="86" align="RIGHT">5000.00</td></tr><tr><td height="17" align="LEFT">85-'95 Mustang T5</td><td align="RIGHT">3.35</td><td align="RIGHT">7.35</td><td align="RIGHT">11.03</td><td align="RIGHT">14.71</td><td align="RIGHT">18.39</td><td align="RIGHT">22.06</td><td align="RIGHT">25.74</td><td align="RIGHT">29.42</td><td align="RIGHT">33.09</td><td align="RIGHT">36.77</td></tr><tr><td height="17" align="LEFT">3.20 Rear Gear</td><td align="RIGHT">1.99</td><td align="RIGHT">12.38</td><td align="RIGHT">18.57</td><td align="RIGHT">24.76</td><td align="RIGHT">30.95</td><td align="RIGHT">37.14</td><td align="RIGHT">43.33</td><td align="RIGHT">49.52</td><td align="RIGHT">55.71</td><td align="RIGHT">61.90</td></tr><tr><td height="17" align="LEFT">26.50” tire</td><td align="RIGHT">1.33</td><td align="RIGHT">18.52</td><td align="RIGHT">27.79</td><td align="RIGHT">37.05</td><td align="RIGHT">46.31</td><td align="RIGHT">55.57</td><td align="RIGHT">64.83</td><td align="RIGHT">74.10</td><td align="RIGHT">83.36</td><td align="RIGHT">92.62</td></tr><tr><td height="17" align="LEFT">
    </td><td align="RIGHT">1.00</td><td align="RIGHT">24.64</td><td align="RIGHT">36.96</td><td align="RIGHT">49.27</td><td align="RIGHT">61.59</td><td align="RIGHT">73.91</td><td align="RIGHT">86.23</td><td align="RIGHT">98.55</td><td align="RIGHT">110.87</td><td align="RIGHT">123.18</td></tr><tr><td height="17" align="LEFT">
    </td><td align="RIGHT">0.68</td><td align="RIGHT">36.23</td><td align="RIGHT">54.35</td><td align="RIGHT">72.46</td><td align="RIGHT">90.58</td><td align="RIGHT">108.69</td><td align="RIGHT">126.81</td><td align="RIGHT">144.92</td><td align="RIGHT">163.04</td><td align="RIGHT">181.15</td></tr></tbody> </table>
     
  13. gimpyshotrods
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    <table frame="VOID" cols="11" rules="NONE" border="0" cellspacing="0"><colgroup><col width="124"><col width="86"><col width="119"><col width="119"><col width="86"><col width="86"><col width="86"><col width="86"><col width="86"><col width="86"><col width="86"></colgroup><tbody><tr><td height="17" width="124" align="LEFT">Hypothetical</td><td width="86" align="LEFT">RPM</td><td width="119" align="RIGHT">1000.00</td><td width="119" align="RIGHT">1500.00</td><td width="86" align="RIGHT">2000.00</td><td width="86" align="RIGHT">2500.00</td><td width="86" align="RIGHT">3000.00</td><td width="86" align="RIGHT">3500.00</td><td width="86" align="RIGHT">4000.00</td><td width="86" align="RIGHT">4500.00</td><td width="86" align="RIGHT">5000.00</td></tr><tr><td height="17" align="LEFT">Hybrid Mustang T5</td><td align="RIGHT">3.35</td><td align="RIGHT">7.35</td><td align="RIGHT">11.03</td><td align="RIGHT">14.71</td><td align="RIGHT">18.39</td><td align="RIGHT">22.06</td><td align="RIGHT">25.74</td><td align="RIGHT">29.42</td><td align="RIGHT">33.09</td><td align="RIGHT">36.77</td></tr><tr><td height="17" align="LEFT">3.20 Rear Gear</td><td align="RIGHT">1.99</td><td align="RIGHT">12.38</td><td align="RIGHT">18.57</td><td align="RIGHT">24.76</td><td align="RIGHT">30.95</td><td align="RIGHT">37.14</td><td align="RIGHT">43.33</td><td align="RIGHT">49.52</td><td align="RIGHT">55.71</td><td align="RIGHT">61.90</td></tr><tr><td height="17" align="LEFT">26.50” tire</td><td align="RIGHT">1.33</td><td align="RIGHT">18.52</td><td align="RIGHT">27.79</td><td align="RIGHT">37.05</td><td align="RIGHT">46.31</td><td align="RIGHT">55.57</td><td align="RIGHT">64.83</td><td align="RIGHT">74.10</td><td align="RIGHT">83.36</td><td align="RIGHT">92.62</td></tr><tr><td height="17" align="LEFT">With a 0.78 5th</td><td align="RIGHT">1.00</td><td align="RIGHT">24.64</td><td align="RIGHT">36.96</td><td align="RIGHT">49.27</td><td align="RIGHT">61.59</td><td align="RIGHT">73.91</td><td align="RIGHT">86.23</td><td align="RIGHT">98.55</td><td align="RIGHT">110.87</td><td align="RIGHT">123.18</td></tr><tr><td height="17" align="LEFT">
    </td><td align="RIGHT">0.78</td><td align="RIGHT">31.59</td><td align="RIGHT">47.38</td><td align="RIGHT">63.17</td><td align="RIGHT">78.96</td><td align="RIGHT">94.76</td><td align="RIGHT">110.55</td><td align="RIGHT">126.34</td><td align="RIGHT">142.13</td><td align="RIGHT">157.93</td></tr></tbody> </table>
     
  14. For a "Stock" 144" when NEW;

    0-20 mph (s): 2.9 sec
    0-30 mph (s): 4.9 sec
    0-40 mph (s): 7.6 sec
    0-50 mph (s): 11 Sec
    0-60 mph (s): 17.7 sec
    0-70 mph (s): 26 sec
    0-80 mph (s): 45.8 sec
    Top Speed - 83 MPH
    1/4 mile (s): 20.7 @ 64 MPH
    Fuel mileage City - 13.7-17.5 Highway 20.1

    Steady state fuel mileage in 3rd gear - no stopping or accelerating

    31 mph :32.2 mpg (U.S.)
    37 mph :31.3 mpg (U.S.)
    44 mph :30.5 mpg (U.S.)
    50 mph :28.7 mpg (U.S.)
    56 mph :27.3 mpg (U.S.)
    62 mph :25.5 mpg (U.S.)
    75 mph :22 mpg (U.S.)
     
  15. gimpyshotrods
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    So don't leave it stock.
     
  16. KK Hickey Designs
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    I just started driving this 62 I got two weeks ago on a daily basis. It's not bad. I'm dreading winter though. :D It's a 170, 3 speed. Does 65 on the freeway without problems and gets into traffic quick enough to not get me killed. I see an automatic swap in my future though, I hate the '3 on the tree' shifter. Sold my 2003 Jetta for it after paying 300 bucks for a jetta fuel pump! :eek:
     

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  17. gimpyshotrods
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    5-on-the-floor no good?
     
  18. NeonGodzilla
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    I'm going to have to get out the laptop. Looks like gibberish on my phone!

    Revernd Paul
     
  19. gimpyshotrods
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    I can't figure out how to overcome that, sorry.:(

    It will make perfect sense on the computer.
     
  20. NeonGodzilla
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    Digging your little bird!

    Revernd Paul
     
  21. DaveRondini
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    Man, I don't think I trust myself to do the S-10 conversion. My (soon to be) 61 Comet has a 144/3 speed. I guess I'd wonder what 4 or 5 speed on the floor would be a good mate with a 200ci. I don't mind the 4 lug 8". Does it matter which year Mav the rear end came out of?
     
  22. gimpyshotrods
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    Fly me out, and I will do it for you.

    The S10 T5 is still the 5-speed to go to for the 200.

    If memory serves me, the Maverick 8" is from '71-'72.
     

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