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Hot Rods Any idea on the identity of this dash panel?

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by 52HardTop, Nov 24, 2019.

  1. 52HardTop
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    A friend picked this up at a swap meet. he asked if I could post it on the HAMB and see if there are any opinions about its identity. Thanks for any input.

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  2. sololobo
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    I have no idea, but am guessing it was out of a truck, with the tach.
     
  3. 52HardTop
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    Thanks for the input. I seem to have lost my question when I added more images of the back side. I see how it does look a truck dash. The high readings with oil and amps as well as tach may also point in that direction.
     
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  4. BamaMav
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    3000 RPM is pretty low, maybe for some kind of diesel? Some of the older ones ran at about 2500 RPM......
     
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  5. sololobo
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    Hey BamaMav, nice Lincoln coupe, don't see many of those beauties.
     
  6. alchemy
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    I can't tell you the application, but the gauges were made by Stewart-Warner.
     
  7. fleetside66
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    I'd say a truck, too. If I'm not mistaken, the date code appears to be C5, which would be May of 1935. Here's a picture of one that I have from a 34-36 IH truck, which is stylistically the same. The 100 mph speedo on yours is unusual & kind of counterintuitive along side a 3K tach. I like the "TEMP' spelled out from the bottom up. Too funny.
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  8. 51504bat
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    My vote is for a diesel truck based on the mechanical drive for the tach but of course it is just a guess.
     
  9. alchemy
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    No electric tachs in May of 1935. Were there even diesels back then?
     
  10. 51504bat
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    Good point.
     
  11. bill gruendeman
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    Diesel was invented in the 1890’s, came in to use in trucks 20’s to the 30’s
     
  12. rusty valley
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    gas or diesel really wouldnt matter as those big cubic inch truck gassers did not spin very fast either. the 100mph speedo is puzzling though
     
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  13. BamaMav
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    Could that be km on the speedo? 100 km would be about 60 mph.....
     
  14. 54vicky
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    looks like cable drive on both not electric not sure on diesel.what would drive it if diesel as no distributor as gas would use
     
  15. alchemy
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    A tach can be driven from any spinning thing on an engine as long as it is geared correctly. A takeoff can be from the crank, a generator or alternator, a water pump pulley, anywhere you can grab a spinning component.
     
  16. That makes as much sense as the gauge cluster i found a little while ago 3500 RPM tach paired with a 120MPH speedometer. it came from a fire engine. When was the last time you saw a fire engine travelling at 120MPH?

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  17. In most case of diesel motors that tach would be driven off the governor.
     
  18. Speedometers often mark a speed that is not relative to the vehicle. Case in point I Chevy truck once that had a 120 MPH speedometer. it was a 6 cylinder truck and would have been hard pressed to hit 90 down hill.

    The tach is a closer gauge to what the vehicle was capable of and still may not be indicative of the potential of the vehicle. I had a Ford cab over maintenance truck at a place where I worked that had a 4K tach. It was powered by a Cat Diesel that was all done by 2800.

    I am going to guess that it is a truck gauge panel but from what would be someone else's guess. Probably mid 30s? Mack? LOL
     
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  19. squirrel
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    might be a 35 Seagrave? This is the only pic I've found so far, allegedly 1943 Seagrave...pretty close, eh?

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  20. redo32
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    That's interesting. The Seagrave has two amp gauges.
     
  21. 52HardTop
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    I got to say, you guys are like the CSI of cars. You don't give up until the case is solved! The Seagrave is interesting to say the least. Tonight is garage night and I'll be seeing the owner of the panel. He's already checked in on the investigation as of last night. I have a feeling we may be checking in on the progress again tonight. Thanks for all your interest everyone.
     
  22. squirrel
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    did you notice the remnants of red paint, on the lower edge of the back of the panel?
     
  23. Clessie Lyle Cummins started building engines in 1919. They had engines in trucks by the early 1930’s.


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  24. 54vicky
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    as noted diesels are usually driven off the generator (alternator) electric pulses my point was they both appear to be cable driven.carnac will post here shortly I am sure
     
  25. If you put any faith in what you read online, There is a chart for dating Stewart Warner gauges

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    looking at the back of your gauge and the super secrete decoder, looks like C5 = May 1935
     
  26. squirrel
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    I think that's pretty well established, now :)
     
  27. chopnchaneled
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    Not sure but, I thought early diesel's didn't turn but around 1800 rpm's ?
     
  28. squirrel
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    What would a 1930s flathead V12 in a fire engine turn, if it were gas powered? probably 3500 max?
     
  29. alchemy
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    Old generators with a tach drive could have a boss on the back cover to attach the cable housing nut with a square or tanged hole in the back of the armature.
     
  30. BamaMav
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    That sounds about right. Any truck engine would have been low RPMs, gas or diesel. They made torque, and multiplied it with high numbered gears, 4.11 or higher. I agree on the mismatched speedo, it was probably the only one in the same size as the tach, so the MPH was way more than it would do.

    There were a lot of small independent truck builders all the way into the 1940's, so it may be from one of those. Also, a lot of trucks were rebuilt and rebodied with various parts and pieces. If you read the history of Freightliner, they started out as rebodied Fageol and Federal trucks, built in house at Consolidated Freightways.
     

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