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Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by Roadsir, Jan 3, 2017.

  1. Nailhead A-V8
    Joined: Jun 11, 2012
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    Great thanks! that would be a huge step forward for my project that has been tough to solve
     
  2. Old Rod
    Joined: Dec 5, 2004
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    Really nice work. This combo always been my favorite.
     
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  3. Brandi
    Joined: Sep 1, 2007
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    Yep! I need the $ to fund the 59 El Camino I picked up. I'd like to do another one down the road in a real 60s style.
     
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  4. Made a little more progress today. I pie cut the front legs for a 20 degree bend. Got tacked in and then started welding on the frame. Decided to mig it. I need a lot of tig practice, and didn't to use this chassis as the Guinea Pig.

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  5. Looking good!
     
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  6. Buddy and his son wanted to go to the Speedway Motors Museum, so I took a day off and we ran down and back on Friday. Definitely worth the trip, and a helluva collection.

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  7. Saturday I got the top side of the frame welded, and the welds dressed on the boxing plates.
    Today I went back down, broke the tacks to the table, flipped the frame, tacked it back down and finished welding the bottom side. I finished dressing the rails on the bottom side.

    Now I can "C" the front and rear, and start the front radius rod mounts. Hope to have a roller soon.

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  8. Tuck
    Joined: May 14, 2001
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    1. Early Hemi Tech

    The quarter elliptic setup is going to be neat-
     
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  9. Yeah, "traditionally inspired" might be the best way to explain it. I like the look of a true traditional A on deuce rails, early motor, early v8 quick change on a "A" spring out back, but I'm stuck on the idea of having a car with some HP, little bit lower, should be fun!

     
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  10. I keep getting a few hours here and there.
    Yesterday I got the 9" rear torn apart and mostly degreased. I need to whack a few brackets off and get it blasted.

    Today I got the bones cut to length, bungs welded in, and used the Horton through frame bungs that allow a pretty clean installation of the tie rod end.

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  11. I’ve been thinking about making a watts linkage for the rear of the roadster.

    Started researching watts linkages as I’ve seen some where the pivot was mounted to the chassis, and some where the pivot was mounted to the axle. I got my answer here…Axle is better as the roll center stays the same regardless of chassis movement.
    http://griggsracing.blogspot.com/p/watts-linkage-tech.html

    At the top of that page is also a link for Torque arm tech. Interesting reading and you and it does make sense that set-up correctly a torque arm could be more stable acceleration and deceleration.

    If I decide to incorporate or fab a torque arm I could eliminate the top two bars on the four bar and have a simple suspension that would work really well in-line and cornering.

    Chris Alston has a pretty neat set-up.
    http://www.cachassisworks.com/Attachments/DataSheets/5857-XXX_DS_WEB.pdf

    TCI’s
    http://totalcostinvolved.com/products/1962-1967-chevy-nova-torque-arm/

    BMR
    http://www.bmrsuspension.com/index.cfm?page=products&vehicleid=9&maincatid=64&catid=321&productid=1155

    Total control products…..Would be easier to fab something like this
    http://www.totalcontrolproducts.com/torquearm.html

    Now to decide if I want to try this, and how to make it somewhat traditional looking.
     
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  12. alchemy
    Joined: Sep 27, 2002
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    I don't think your rear springs will allow a lot of side-to-side movement, do you? I'd think a watts or panhard link is not needed on this roadster. If the spring and shackles went transversely like stock, then maybe you'd need it.
     
  13. Tuck
    Joined: May 14, 2001
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    Tuck
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    from MINNESOTA
    1. Early Hemi Tech

    1963 setup- Quarter elliptic setup with watts link and some stout ladder bars... I would think there would be more side to side leverage on those springs than a standard setup... especially on the shackels.

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  14. Malcolm
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    The torque arm and Watts link with the quarter elliptical springs does sound like a trick setup! I'd love to see how that would all work out on this car.
     
  15. Malcolm
    Joined: Feb 9, 2006
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    If Eric sticks with the quarter elliptical springs and a parallel 4-link, I'd definitely use a panhard bar or Watts link. Those springs do have more side-to-side movement than I'd be comfortable with.
     
  16. Yes,
    Even with bronze bushings (need a good reaction time!) that are sized pretty tight snug to the 1/2 bolts there is some side movement when I pull on the springs. If the front of the springs were fixed with a pair of u-bolts, I could get by without a lateral bar.

    A panhard is hard to argue with, as it's very simple, lightweight design, to really make it work better it should be mounted lower (visually not as appealing) But it does have some shortcomings.

    I feel like experimenting a bit with the car and having fun with it....So we'll see.



     
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  17. Tuck, that's pretty cool. I had heard that some Street Roadsters used 1/4 elliptics.
    Can't imagine 475 Cubes of Blown Olds......I guess you would need a 100lbs of lead over the front end!

     
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  18. Old Rod
    Joined: Dec 5, 2004
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    When purchased my 29' had actual 480ci Olds and B & M Hydro from Tuckers A/SR.
    Tucker changed to Hemi power. Rear set up 57-8 Olds, quarter elliptics, huge square
    ladder bars running up to trans. Don't remember Watts linkage or panhard bar. Normal
    angle mounted tube shocks. No kits back then, believe spring 49-50 Ford. Later changed
    to narrowed 9" 34 rear spring. FACT Roadster rode and handled much better with orig
    setup. Should never have changed. Bob
     
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  19. 42˚18'N 83˚09'W
    Joined: Jul 29, 2008
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    Excellent workmanship and well executed planning. I might have missed it but I haven't seen any mention of your steering box choice. Dropping the nose as much as you are planning I would have concern if you are going to use a Vega box how low your pitman arm will be. My recollection of roads in your area are pretty well maintained. In Maine they are goat paths and my '32 will occasionally scrape if I am not careful on some of our back roads with deep travel grooves. Looks great, be safe.
     
  20. Thanks!.
    Most likely Vega, but haven't ruled out cowl steering. If Vega, I should be able to raise it a bit, and the motor.

     
  21. About all I got done Saturday was notching the front frame. Had plans to notch the rear today but went and picked up some bones, axles, and other old ford stuff.
    Should make more headway next weekend!

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  22. 18n57
    Joined: Jun 29, 2007
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    Very interesting project and you are clearly a craftsman! I will be following your progress.
     
  23. For us Northerners it's time to prepare the snowblower for storage, and get the lawnmower ready, so I lost a few days sharpening blades, changing a valve cover gasket and fixing some trailer lighting.

    I did get the rear "c" done, now I just need to cap the rear of the rails, flop it over and continue to finish up the rear suspension, then shift focus to the other cars for the summer.

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  24. javithewrench
    Joined: Nov 13, 2016
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    Willie needs one of these
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  25. Could hold a few beers that way too!

     
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  26. With as much energy as Willie has you'd open a beer he'd been carrying around? ;)
     
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  27. sololobo
    Joined: Aug 23, 2006
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    nice build, this baby will scoot right along with the mill from the 40. Never to many of these iconic hot rods. Best wishes an a way cool project.
     
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  28. Decided not to hit a swap meet today, and not play with cycle carts, and get the body sitting on the frame. It will need a little taper cut at the cowl, but here are a few shots of where I'm at.

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  29. IronFord
    Joined: Jul 13, 2007
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    from NoDak

    Any updates on this build?
     
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  30. Thanks for asking. I took a break this summer so I could have fun with the other cars. Garage season officially starts today. But, I am going to pause to see if we get my Dads old modified dirt track car restored. He has the original chassis from the late 60's early 70's, a new body, I found a quick change center at the roadster swap meet, and we've been rounding up suspension pieces.. 3-2 intake, magneto, Technically it's a little to new for this forum, but perhaps I can fit a few pictures in on this thread as we go!
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