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  1. squirrel
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    Oh, I'd have to do something else for a shifter....

    1965 was an interesting year for torqueflites. The pushbutton transmissions used through 1964 had a cable for shifting, and another cable for Park (which was a separate lever, next to the pushbuttons). I think there was a law passed which required all cars to use similar shifters in 1965 model cars. So instead of redesigning the transmission to use linkage like all the other carmakers had, Chrysler designed new shifters, both for the column, and for the floor. My car came with the double cable floor shifter. Quite a neat mechanism. then in 1966 they redesigned the transmission, making it "normal".

    I'd love to use the original shifter...that would require modifying the gate to make it shift reliably, and adding a reverse lockout. I have a little experience with this stuff, having built the shifter for Plan II.
     
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  2. Gray Ford
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    Hey Pumpman....I don't know where he found it, but you're right !! 52 years old and you can't even see through the floor !!!!
     
  3. You can have a very good axle by WAC custom axles ( I think is the name). He can make it any width any way ya want it..... safe also!!!!! If he aint on the HAMB he is on FB
     
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  4. squirrel
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    I met him at Meltdown this year, I have his card.

    I'm building a car that's a bit different than what he normally makes axles for.
     
  5. catdad49
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    Are you Nuts?! ......... Sorry, couldn’t help myself. This should be Good, I’m in.


    Sent from my iPhone using H.A.M.B.
     
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  6. I love this comment, put a smile on my face and brought back this memory. Doing this was a special request. Yep, all the way.
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    This AMX is on leaf springs and street legal. Without a full cage we were limited to 10.0's so we had to throttle stop it,"a lot". Sure was a fun car. 4 link is fine but not absolutly necessary.
    The Wizzard
    68 amx.jpg
     
  7. Blues4U
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    Didn't the Chevelle have 4 link in 66?
     
  8. Nostrebor
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    This thread has been a pleasant read so far. Please continue!

    I am astonished at how nice the body on your subject car is. Living in the desert must be like living on another planet. I assume you just use molasses for a sweetener there instead of removing rust with it?o_O:)
     
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  9. I can't add anything to this thread other than to say;
    "Jim, you embody the HAMB spirit and are an inspiration to all us hacks that are trying to up our game.":cool:
     
  10. squirrel
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    Yes, but I think he was referring to the modern race type 4 link, which is what I'm thinking of putting in the car. It really doesn't belong...
     
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  11. troybert
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    from muncie in.

  12. troybert
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    did't put my glasses on if you could find a Art Carr push button shifter that would be cool
     
  13. Blues4U
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    Ahhhhh, OK.
     
  14. brad2v
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    Curious how you'll get this done, the OE vent window frames are damn near as heavy as the door shell. Maybe build a 'glas frame?
     
  15. squirrel
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    The big piece of potmetal at the front of the vent assembly weighs just under 4 lbs, the entire door (with hinges, glass, uphostery, etc) weighs 75 lbs. I think I can knock quite a bit of weight off, even if I leave the pot metal part there. It looks like I might be able to trim the bottom off, it will be a bit flimsier but weigh a pound less...and yeah, I could make a replacement from fiberglass or something.
     
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  16. DDDenny
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    TLB style sliders.

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    Don't need wing windows either!

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  17. squirrel
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    can't stick my elbow out the window that way...
     
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  18. kidcampbell71
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    What if you cut in an elbow slot ? :)

    ( stalker marker placed here)
     
  19. noboD
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    Jim, it seems to me the only one confused about what we want is you. If we have to come hang out at your garage and vote on how you build this car we need an address.
     
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  20. squirrel
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  21. Gary Reynolds
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    If you are interested in leaf spring suspension try contacting Calvert Racing Suspensions in Lancaster. They make a variety of leaves and can build or recommend the way to go for chassis and rear suspension.The chassis becomes the key and will have to be built for this. I think Charlie Allen's Dart, Al Vanderwoude's Flying Dutchman into 1967 didn't use coil overs, stayed with leaf springs.These were both nitro cars, the dutchman running a blown early hemi.
    The classic MoPar of 66 was leaves, a 426 , Cuda or Dart, 727 TF and winning.These were tough, kick ass cars.
    It will be difficult and fairly expensive, but that was the hot setup.Your alternative would be use modern parts.Modern stuff will work, but MODERN???
    Check out the springs on this car! It was a rectangular tube car.Like a giant Model A chassis. I THINK the part number for this is : MP 3,800-pound Super Stock leaf springs (PN 454/455), they used stock parts then.
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    Pictures on the web of this suspension are hard to come by. Old magazines give you clues, but rear suspension wasn't very sexy then either.
    This CAN WORK, but you need input from guys more knowledgeable than I.
    HOW ABOUT IT OLD RACERS??
     
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  22. malibumonte78
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    8:71 blower now allowed in B Gas? Doesn't that make your Nova a contender? Did they do that just to allow Finnegan to run in B Gas?
     
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  23. Gary Reynolds
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    Here is an interesting read on leaf springs. KEEP reading, the first part is stock type MoPars and other, read the high HP stuff at the end.An interesting article.
    Were you planning on building the 727 or buying one> If you can, buying one will save much grief.They aren't complex and if built right, they can be bulletproof..
    If the car was street or strip, (one or the other ), this would be way simpler.
    But food for thought: //www.google.com/search?q=racing+727+torqueflite+transmission&oq=racing+727+torqueflite+transmission&aqs=chrome..69i57.23761j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

    Using the pushbutton would be very cool.
     
  24. Gary Reynolds
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    Some more Cuda's
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    The ex Sox & Martin
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  25. Gary Reynolds
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  26. Gary Reynolds
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    Interesting Landy picture! Look at that sag in the body! The acid dipped cars started to sag, the hard starts caused the body to droop after a while! These cars were RUN!
    You can see it in the Mr Norm pic that Squirrel posted earlier!

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  27. squirrel
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    One of my concerns with the rear suspension, is keeping weight down. Having leaf springs requires a bit of a frame quite a ways behind the rear wheels. A ladder bar or 4 link mostly eliminates the need for that frame...it only needs a structure just behind and above the axle, to mount coil springs/shocks.

    Looking at a few pictures of other cars in 1966-67 magazines, it looks like ladder bars and home made coil overs were starting to become common place on some of the faster cars that had the floor cut out, or had lift off bodies.
     
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  28. With an 8 second car just how extensive is your roll cage going to have to be, especially in light of the fact that you want to make it a two-seater?
     
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  29. Dreamweaver
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    Man, those rules are hard to discern.
    Looks like the extended front fenders and fiberglass doors put you in with the big money guys in unlimited?
     
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  30. Wonder if some of that rear sag was due to them loading up the trunk with weight when doing crowd pleasers. I saw Landy do that at Woodburn way back when.
     

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