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  1. rustydusty
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    Opened up a Rochester 2bbl for rebuilding and found all this corrosion. Do you think that it is rebuildable? I would rather not invest in a new carb, too many other things I need to spend money on! 0730171456.jpg 0730171456.jpg 0730171458.jpg
     
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  2. partsdawg
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    I've rebuilt worse looking ones.
     
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  3. 64 DODGE 440
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    Just for piece of mind I think that a non-corroded one would be worth the investment. How sure are you that you can get all the crud out of the inner passages?

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  4. s55mercury66
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    Make sure all the passages are clean and clear. This is a great time to learn all about that carb, including how it works.
     
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  5. rustydusty
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    The bronze jets etc. don't seem to be corroded. Carb cleaner and air pressure "should" be able to clear the passages. I will probably have to hone the accelerator pump cylinder. I already have a rebuild kit, so I can try it then if it doesn't work, scrounge up the cash for another carb.

    Problem is, the 2bbl carbs are as expensive or more than a 4bbl!
     
  6. Speedwrench
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    I would be concerned about the corrosion in the accelerator pump well among other things. By the time you get the crud cleaned out of it, it may be enlarged to the point that the pump won't seal properly or will not move properly due to the marks left by whatever abrasive used to remove the oxidation.
     
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  7. rustydusty
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    Accelerator pump has a flexible rubber cup that should fit. I'm going to try a brake cylinder hone after fitting a scrap of wood in the fuel slot.
     
  8. greybeard360
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    Run it thru the dishwasher.... You may be surprised how that will clean it. And yes, use the soap you would normally use in there for your dishes.

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  9. Speedwrench
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    If you are a shooter or have a friend who is, you might see if you can find a shotgun bore cleaning brush that is close in diameter. As I remember it, that's what the commercial rebuilders used to do and it will be easier on the bore than a brake cylinder hone.
     
  10. rustydusty
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    Good idea. Looks to about about the size of a 20 gauge!
     
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  11. Engine man
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    The old carburetor cleaners would clean that up. Maybe try various diluted muriatic acid solutions. You can always use the rest to clean oil off concrete.
     
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  12. chevy57dude
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    Take a strip of fine Scotchbrite in a large cotter key. like a little flag, only on both sides. Use it in a drill at low speed. Very gentle.
     
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  13. RmK57
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    Kleen-flo makes a carburetor and metal cleaning solution that you dip and leave in over night. It's nasty stuff but works fantastic.
     
  14. manyolcars
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    Thats rebuildable
     
  15. oldolds
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    I never tried it. But there have been posts on here to soak in Pine-sol.
     
  16. rustydusty
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    Some great advice guys. I am going ahead with the carb rebuild.
     
  17. COCONUTS
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    Do it while your wife is out of the house.
     
  18. oj
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    Don't do it. All that white stuff is from cathodic reaction of the gas and raw zinc casting. The carbs' protective coating is gone, you'll scrub yourself silly to clean it and within a few months it will be right back. Its a chemical reaction, thats why the coatings are on carbs to prevent that 'white death'.
    If it is a valuable carb you can replace the coatings, those rochesters are plentiful, find one without the white death and rebuiild that one.
     
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  19. carbking
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    Looks like the carb has been sitting for some time in the presence of ethanol-laced fuel.

    The corrosion is certainly removable. The best way is to use a glass-beading machine, but use crushed walnut shells rather than glass beads. I agree with OJ (above), but you won't be satisfied unless you try it.

    Once the corrosion has been removed, one can then inspect the casting for pitting, and make a determination if the casting is still useable.

    Jon
     
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  20. Use a non-abrasive media blaster....baking soda, will preserve most of the finish and get rid of the crud.
    But first run it through the dishwasher...blast...then run it through the dishwasher again with no soap.
     
  21. Yeah, the plating is shot. I would get another one. It is possible that a rebuilder may be able to re-finish it or yours would be a core towards an exchange. Just give it in with the top back on.
     
  22. 3banjos
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    A replacement should be an easy find. That carb is the less desirable for the multi carb guys. Front inlet.
     
  23. Looks like traditional patina > runs like stink.


    Just kidding. I'm with the hunt up another crowd. :)
     
  24. carbking
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    A wee bit more information on this:

    (1) The corrosion is NOT the issue!!!!!
    (2) The corrosion is zinc oxide (ZnO)
    (3) The corrosion can be removed; as I mentioned before, my choice would be blasting with crushed walnut shells. Rick also mentioned blasting with baking soda.
    (4) Others have mentioned chemicals. Zinc Oxide is fairly easy to dissolve and then wash IF YOU LIKE TO USE CHEMICAL (I personally like to avoid them). Zinc oxide may be dissolved by muriatic acid ZnO + 2 HCl -> ZnCl2 + H20 (Zinc oxide with muriatic acid will yield Zinc Cloride and water). Zinc oxide may also be dissolved by using a base (sodium hydroxide) - ZnO + 2NaOH -> Na2[Zn(OH)4]. I dislike using chemicals because sometimes one gets a nasty airborne surprise!
    (5) The zinc oxide is a result of the factory coating (it IS not plated, the zinc alloy casting was ETCHED using a combination of nitric, sulfuric, and chromic acids) being removed. Once the coating is removed, a carburetor is a perfect example of a Galvanic cell (a.k.a. battery). There is ion flow when the zinc combines with oxygen (often from water, especially with ethanol) forming the corrosion. Once the corrosion is removed, THERE WILL BE PITTING! THE PITTING IS THE ISSUE! One really needs to inspect the floor of the bowl to determine the extent of the pitting. Anyone really enjoy gasoline leaks on a hot engine?
    (6) As mentioned by several, the factory coating is gone. Unless it is reapplied, as stated by OJ above, in a few months the corrosion WILL BE BACK! I really dislike doing something that I know will need redoing in a few months!
    (7) Finding someone to reapply the factory chromate finish (not the cheap dye some are using just for appearance) is difficult. Re-read paragraph 5. The factory chromate is done using chromic acid. Chromic acid is a carcinogen and also causes mental issues. The EPA doesn't want it done, and requires an approved waste water treatment facility (those in their 60's or above may remember when so many of the chrome plating shops went out of business).

    Personally, I believe this one is too far gone, but if you want to do it, get rid of the corrosion and inspect the castings

    Jon.
     
  25. BamaMav
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    Mine looked almost that bad. Soaked it in a gallon of carb cleaner overnight, washed it off and let it dry, it was fine. Put a kit in it and ran it until I pulled the engine last spring, probably put 2500 miles on it or more with no problems. I'd clean it first, then make sure it's not pitted too bad. If it is, you can find another pretty easily.
     
  26. rustydusty
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    Bit the bullet and ordered a new carb. No use spending the time rebuilding the one I have, only to have it crap out in a month or two.
     
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  27. millelacsrick
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    Good choice.
     
  28. jeffd1988
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    [​IMG]. This works
     
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