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64 T-bird, Starts 4 times and 5th time no crank??

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by TULSA, Mar 2, 2014.

  1. TULSA
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    I dont usually post questions like these, but I am stumped. I have tried a different battery and I get the same thing. I am thinking it must be something with starter, but it does not make sense.

    I can start the car, drive around, make stops, but almost every time I try and start it the 4th or 5th time during the day, it will not crank. Battery voltage is the same. Usually I cannot even jump it. Luckily its usually when I am back at home. Sometimes it will fire back up after an hour or so, but sometimes its a day or so.

    Has anyone ran across this before?
     
  2. It's not fully charging from the sound of it.
     
  3. slickhale
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    Exact same thing happened to me in my 61 Galaxie , 352 fe. It was the starter motor . Swapped it out and never had another issue.

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  4. slickhale
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    Also make sure your battery has a high enough cranking amp rating. Too small of a battery will produce similar symptoms.

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  5. Bad ground on the starter relay to the sheet metal.
     
  6. TULSA
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    Tried a larger battery, that cant be the issue

    Thats what I thought, but wouldnt it start right up when you jump it, if that was the case?

    On the solenoid?
     
  7. Fedman
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    It wouldn't be your Neutral Safety Switch by chance?

    Ford's were prone to that, have to hold the Gear Shifter up to get it to start.
     
  8. TULSA
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    I have tried that... shifted up and down, tried in neutral as well... Unless its just really bad and knows to do it 4th or 5th time, that cant be it
     
  9. Perrorojo
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    Does it attempt to spin, click or act completely dead when turning the ignition. If it's the latter, I'd check the neutral safety switch. I've got the swing away column and have had similar gremlins.

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  10. TULSA
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    Well sometimes it will try and crank but do it very slowly. And the solenoid will click. But where is the safety switch located? I have the swing away as well.
     
  11. 1964countrysedan
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    Could be the solenoid itself. I have learned that they can be "part time bad".

    Have you tried bypassing the solenoid when it won't start?
     
  12. Fedman
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    Okay, if it clicks, and turns slow it is not the safety switch.

    I would look at and replace all the Battery Cables if they are the original.
    They will corrode from the inside, and appear to be good from the outside.

    And make sure the grounds are clean.

    Good Luck!
     
  13. TULSA
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    I am thinking I will start with replacing the solenoid (they are cheap), and check with connections.
    The battery cables are in good shape.
     
  14. sdluck
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    When it doesn't start have you tried jumping from the small post to the battery post on the solenoid? Make sure it is in park.
     
  15. TULSA
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    I am going to try that. I figure that's best way to test the solenoid. Btw its 10 degrees with subzero windchill and cars in driveway so this will be fun!
     
  16. Perrorojo
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    If it's trying then it isn't the safety switch. The safety will cut all the power. I'm going to bet corroded cable and/or bad connection from the battery to the starter. Have somebody look at the connection at the starter while you try it. See if it Sparks.

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  17. TULSA
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    Put a new Soleniod on, no luck, I feel more and more it is the connection at starter. I agree cant be safety neutral, Soleniod pops when in park, but not when in reverse... however if I hold shifter up it will not pop either, not sure about that one.

    Once this storm is gone I will check connections and likely run a new cable down to starter.
     
  18. Dead spot in the armature? Starter stops with a brush on a dead contact. Kind of flukey if it does it every 4th or 5th time, but possible. Next time it acts up give the start a couple "love taps" with a hammer and see if it comes back to life.
     
  19. Ford blue blood
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    Starter cable connection has two nuts on it, remove the nut that holds the cable on and tighten down the nut that holds the stud to the starter.
     
  20. brushwolf
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    Probably starter bushing. Will start awesome when cold but not start when warmed up good. I had a Fairlane years ago that did the same thing.
     
  21. TULSA
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    Going to order a new starter tomorrow
    Ill check that first
    Wont start after a day of sitting, so not a hot cold thing...
     

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