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  1. MUNCIE
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    Well I had a little time today so I pulled the pan back off and turned the engine by hand to get a look at the first counter weight by the keyway. It's stamped 1M so it's a 260/289 crank and not the 2M for the 302 so I am really wondering how in the heck did they balance this engine if they removed material from the skirts on the pistons to clear the crank?

    -Mark
     
  2. MUNCIE
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    Question for everyone - Been doing some reading and it seems that the Boss 302 was rated at 290 hp. If that's the case a slightly modified (Power Performance top end package from Summit ) 289/302 naturally aspirated engine shouldn't need aftermarket rods and the such. I guess what I am asking is a set of H - Beam rods (Crower,Scat etc.) is considered overkill or money wasted on this type of engine? I would rather put the money towards additional parts if it will just be money wasted so to speak. I plan on driving it hard but not strip time. Opinions welcomed...
     
  3. gimpyshotrods
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    Overkill.

    Just use good bolts.
     
  4. MUNCIE
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    Ok thanks. I kind of figured that but just wanted someone else's opinion.
     
  5. MUNCIE
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    Got a quick question, an opportunity arose to pick up a 69" 302 block with the crank/caps and flex plate included ($100). My question is will most of the front parts to the block interchange from a 289? Like the water pump and pulleys etc. I've heard that this can open a can of worms with the SBF family and I don't want to be searching for pulleys etc. to fit my engine bay.
    Basically I would want to swap intake and carb over, and have everything else line up the way it was like with the alternator bracket. The block does not have heads but I might find some cast iron ones or I was kinda of leaning towards buying a set of aftermarket heads anyway with the accessory holes pre drilled for the 289 I was gonna put in there.
    Thanks,
    Mark
     
  6. caper
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    Yes
     
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  7. Johnboy34
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    Yes, Boss 302 rated at 290 hp...@5200 rpm.
    On a motor that pulls strong to 7000 plus,

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  8. LOLOL... In '69 everyone was cracking down on performance cars, insurance rates were climbing and were based on 'advertised horsepower'. Ford seriously underrated both the Boss 302 and 428CJ to avoid this, the Boss with the factory RPM limiter removed could be tuned for nearly 400 HP. They also rated the CJ at only 335 HP, actual HP was over 400. It took the insurance companies only a year or two to figure this out....
     
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  9. MUNCIE
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    Well I'm gonna go take a look at the block on this Tuesday and go from there. If all looks well, I will probably take it straight to the machine shop to check for cracks etc. If it's rebuildable then I will let them do the rest of the work to get it ready for assembly. Don't want to drag home another core and that way the wife will never know....:D
     
  10. MUNCIE
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    What's going on guys? Hope everyone is doing well. I haven't been doing much lately in the garage other than working around the house as usual. Anyway I decided to remove the oil galley plugs and the engine block plugs because I am off next week to spend time with my grandkids for Spring Break and get some things done for myself. So I made an effort to go out there this afternoon to do just that because I wanted to drop the block off at the machine shop.

    So I started to inspect the block and I couldn't believe that I missed this the times I looked at it. While checking the lifter bores and such and I noticed this. Am I screwed? I think I am but would like to know what everyone thinks and what could have caused this? The distributor shaft took a dump and blew the hole? I didn't think they were strong enough to do this to the casting.

    If so another 289 for scrap. At least I didn't pay a bundle for it but it is disappointing to say the least.
     

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    Looks like casting flash, on my tablet, at least ."
     
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  12. MUNCIE
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    Thanks, going to try cleaning it up a little with a carbide bit.
     
  13. MUNCIE
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    Well I picked up another block casting number C90E-6015-C. From what I can gather it's a 302 - 1969 year. 1M stamped on the crank so it's a 289 crank, which is pretty common from what I've read. Also the piston skirts are supposed to be a bit longer on a 302 vs the 289 but this block does not seem to be. Anyway I need to find a 2M 302 crank now, and I have been calling around to machine shops and it seems that "hot tanking" has gone by the wayside.
    The block has been stripped down pretty much to nothing, still have the cam bearings and oil filter housing in place, should I remove them along with the freeze plugs prior to taking it for machining? The clean and mag is going to run $85 bucks. I asked them what they do to clean the blocks prior to machining and it's basically a power wash with a pressure washer. Would be nice to find someone who would hot tank it.

    Thanks,
    Mark
     

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