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Projects '61 Biscayne - Mild Custom or Drag Car?

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by dukes26, Dec 30, 2018.

  1. Atwater Mike
    Joined: May 31, 2002
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    Man...what a chance! Anyone on this board knows I'm tied to Ford.
    BUT: I once owned and 'upgraded' a '62 Chevy 409 4spd, to get into the 12s...
    Worked on a lot of 'em, admired the ones that ran drags on Sunday and errands all week. Best remembered are the ones that looked 'factory'...just wide wheels and tires, 'husky' looking...and factory white or black, white Chevys always had the 'racy look'...
     
  2. DDDenny
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    Damn straight Mike!
    Hmmm, do you think the OP would mind if I posted a shot of the grumps 66 Nova.
    Nevermind.
     
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  3. Denny, I feel your pain ;-)
     
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  4. fourspd2quad
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    Check out the cars from member BSL409....Nuff said:cool:
     
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  5. southcross2631
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    Build it to the southeast gassers new super stock class rules and move to the south and race the hell out of it.
     
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  6. USA Tires Sign Joe
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    Put some pie crust slicks on back and you are done! Looks great as is!!
     
  7. BSL409
    Joined: Aug 28, 2011
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    Nice 61you have!! If do race it let me know if you need help with chassie be glad to help
     
  8. mountainman2
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    Yep, and that was the day it rolled off the assembly line in shiny NEW paint!
     
  9. Like this but with a lot fewer stickers::cool:
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  10. s55mercury66
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    Lenny Bohler's Old Blue was bad ass, but this ain't Old Blue.
     
  11. oldiron 440
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    It could be "old blotchy";)
     
  12. Gman0046
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    The OP is in a great position. That 61 will look great the way it is or painted. Its a fun car for sure. Rather have a 58-64 BelAir or Biscayne over an Impala any day.
     
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  13. RP, I don't think I'd use roundy round or dirt track cars as an example of how hot rods and street /strip machines are supposed to look. Just sayin'.
    (simply irresistible) ;-)
     
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  14. When I was kid walking to school, their was an old guy (probably a junior or senior) with a new bright red '61 Biscayne, 409, 4 speed that I passed by. Didn't know a lot about cars then; but I knew that was the hot set-up. Next fall I saw he had a fancy new '62 Ford convertible, black with a 406; asked why the change, he said girls and laughed.
     
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  15. mkebaird
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    Painted steelies w/dog dishes, maybe lowered a little. Nice car!
     
  16. Tickety Boo
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    I would paint it factory sea foam green with a black or white stock interior.:cool:
    Detail the engine bay, change the air cleaner to the factory 409 2x4 cleaner ( if you can find one )
    Keep the 5 spokes with pie crust cheater slicks.
    Thank You for the nice day dream on one of my favorite cars.:rolleyes:
     
  17. jnaki
    Joined: Jan 1, 2015
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    Hello,

    You have the start of a very nice car. Here is a set of stories for our friend in high school that bought his first real car in the fall of 1961. He had been driving around with us for a long time and wanted a nice car for himself. The 61 Biscaynes and hardtop Impalas were impressing him. So, by the time he was ready to buy, the new 1962 models came out. It would be hard pressed to say it is one year over the other, as the body styles remained relatively the same. He ordered a 409 4 speed in red.

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    Jnaki

    The sign of the 409, the rumble of the motor and the “look” of the big Biscayne is enough at any gathering to turn heads. Talk about head turning when the Biscayne rolled into the local drive-in parking lot with its standard stock "rumble." That car made everyone stop and look as it was the first in the neighborhood of Bixby Knolls. (and it was bright red with its 409 emblem)

    There is no need to copy any photo from those old days, with stickers, headers, mags or anything other than that 409 symbol on the side of the car. (certainly not raising the front end!) The power of the motor was enough to raise the front end and make it go fast.

    People will know immediately and be impressed with the car. Customs? It is your choice, but you have the base for a cool street car with a history that is impressive for young and us old guys that were there when they ruled the streets AND the drags.

    Make it look as if it rolled off of the showroom floor and presents itself as a factory 409 hot rod. That red 62 409 was a bare bones car that was just impressive sitting in the back row of the local drive-in restaurant. It certainly stood out from all of the other local hot rods and cruisers without doing anything other than just being there in its factory 409 garb.

    If it were around today, my wife and I would be driving it all over So Cal with some feathering foot action.

    Here are some threads and posts you might like:

    https://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum...ictures-comments.1129723/page-2#post-12847388 409 biscayne

    https://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum...seen-that-before.1098223/page-4#post-12472459 4 speed story

    From the last thread on the "409 vs 58 Impala” (and the advantage of a C&O Stick Hydro vs. a 4 speed)

    “You are asking if our modified, 58 Impala ever raced the 409 Biscayne on the Cherry Ave drags…? We raced several times. Each time the Impala was out in front for approximately 1/8 mile. At the first sign of the big 409 coming up on the outside lane, I shut down to let him see the brake lights. I knew the modified 348 could not last the whole ¼ mile against 100+ more horsepower.

    But, I was happy for my friend, as he also allowed me to drive his 409 many times during that summer of 62. It was his payback for me teaching him how to shift that 4 speed and be safe.”

     
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  18. Super/Stock Poncho
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    Leave as is, don't paint. Slap on steelies and piecrust cheaters for the rear. BAM, you're done! Great Car!
     
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  19. blownhemi48
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    I doubt that an old left alone example of this car would ever have had a Ford 9 inch under it. The Ford 9 inch was not the go to rear end back then, unless you happened to be building a Ford. The Olds/Pontiac 9.3 rear end would be era correct and stronger. They are not that hard to come by.

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  20. HotrodHR
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    It's your choice... but here would be my strategy that you can start, build on and leaves options to change back and forth:

    1. Leave paint as is for now, work on it when you can. New Torque Thrusts (gray centers) and tires, dual reservoir master cylinder, seat covers (if needed), Hurst shifter with "T" knob, and detail engine compartment. Reminiscent of late 60's to mid-70's high school kid.

    2. Fresh paint (bright white), new interior if needed (stock), painted steel wheels (use with or with out dog dish hubcaps, painted (stock) valve covers, factory style or period appropriate air cleaner, and change shifter knob to white ball. Reminiscent of a sleeper, grand dad's old car, a grocery getter, or family car. The high school kid in you can sneak off to the local drag strip for for a couple of passes, and no one would be the wiser. Don't forget to pop of the hub caps at the track, and uncork the headers that you installed when mom and dad weren't looking!

    3. Drive the heck out of this machine!

    Please don't street rod or turn this into a custom!!!!
     
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  21. OK, this is gonna sound weird but back in '61 the Oregon state Police had pursuit cars that were 61 Biscayne 2 doors. There was one in my town in '69 for sale. It was a factory 348/ 3 speed overdrive. Those cars were painted a beautiful dark blue with small white lettering on the doors with the OSP logos and dog dish hubcaps. I'd do it up like an old Oregon pursuit car without the logo and without the antennas.
     
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  22. 6sally6
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    ^^^^^^^^
    THIS!
    6sally6
     
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  23. BSL409
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    Any updates?
     
  24. sunbeam
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    Around here a it's hard to find a 61 with intact eyebrows don't paint it.
     
  25. sunbeam
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    I keep hearing about 1961 Biscayne 409s The only good documentation I can find is 142 409 SS cars. The only true 409 I ever saw was a SS convertible. Oh and one "Factory 409 Biscayne " that didn't even have a 3/8 fuel line but did have 2-4s .
     
  26. Tickety Boo
    Joined: Feb 2, 2015
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    I read some where that one way to identify a real factory 61 409 was to look for a special frame brace.
    Anyone got a picture of such a brace, and where it is on the frame?
     
  27. saltflats
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    I don't think the owners of the true 61 409 cars will give out all the information for fear someone will clone one and try to pass it off as a real one.
     
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  28. Gman0046
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    All "W" motors being 409's has become just like all SBC's being from a "Corvette".
     
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  29. TudorTony
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  30. That red car is identical to one I owned in Portland in 73, right down to the 14" station wagon wheels. Only difference is mine was a factory 190 HP 283 with a 3 speed column shift. It was such a good car I never changed a thing on it.
    Looking at the photo of that red car is like looking back in time for me. Wish I'd had taken a photo or 2 of mine.
     
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