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Art & Inspiration 60's Dirtbag/70's sleeze model A. Your 2 Cents is wanted.

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by samkemper, Oct 4, 2012.

  1. samkemper
    Joined: Feb 4, 2011
    Posts: 4

    from Portland

    I am moving closer and closer to needing to finalize some ideas for my model A. I am kind of building it with alate 60's early 70's dirtbag/ sleeze inspiration and I was looking for any input for some little details.

    Movie that I have used for inspiration, to help see where I am coming from: Smokey and the Bandit, Vanishing Point, Reservoir Dogs/Pulp Fiction, Dogtown and Z Boys, Convoy, Etc.

    What I have:

    Supremes with wide wides. Bias ply front, firestone cheaters in the back.

    Offy tunnel rams w/ dual quads. Am looking for velocity stacks.

    T-bucket style headers/ exhaust.

    Work 8 track. Have some Waylon, Willie and the Boys. Anybody have any 8 Tracks?

    CB. Single long antenna tied back or two four foot whips?

    Vintage coors tap shift handle.

    64 AMC Dash cluster.

    Dixie Horn?

    Taillight suggestions?

    What are some thoughts? Period ideas?

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  2. Muttley
    Joined: Nov 30, 2003
    Posts: 18,417


  3. Where is this going ;-)

  4. Johnunit
    Joined: Dec 31, 2010
    Posts: 93

    from Toronto

    I think you may be confusing people by blending movies and themes with widely varying aesthetics, not to mentions ones that didn't have any hot rods, per se, in them. 60's dirtbag is a pretty vague thing and I'm not sure how you apply it to a model A hot rod.

    Interesting idea though, from what I can understand.
  5. Magnum Wheel Man
    Joined: May 11, 2011
    Posts: 418

    Magnum Wheel Man

    WOW... my old high school girl friend... ;)

    nice vintage pics...
  6. JustBryan
    Joined: Feb 22, 2008
    Posts: 172

    from NE Ohio

    UH OH!
    can anything good come of this?
  7. It sounds like you just want to build a 70's style rod. I'm not sure what the dirtbag/sleeze thing is though. I'm going to guess that you are young and don't actually remember the 70's? Is it like a 70's version of the 50's greaseball/tattooed fishnet Betty thing, that never was? I'm not bagging on you, man. I just have no idea what you are talking about. Please explain.
  8. BillSchmid
    Joined: Jul 21, 2012
    Posts: 94

    from Ohio

    I think I understand where you are going with this, but I have never heard of a CB in a hot rod, even in the 70s. There were a lot on OT muscle cars and vans with them though. It was before my time though, so somebody correct me if I'm wrong.
  9. birdman42
    Joined: Jan 18, 2012
    Posts: 400


    Sam if you like it do it and be prepared to have other put you down.Just smile and say thanks.
  10. Murphy32
    Joined: Oct 17, 2007
    Posts: 724

    from Minnesota


    ...the horror....
  11. Juke Joint Johnny
    Joined: Aug 18, 2006
    Posts: 141

    Juke Joint Johnny
    from Fresno, CA

    Just pick up the latest issue of Rat Rod magazine, cuz that's what you're building...
  12. indyjps
    Joined: Feb 21, 2007
    Posts: 3,907


    Sure, in a few years you can redo it in 80's boyd style to update it.

    then again, why not, post the build pics, you could 70's it up, seems like most of that stuff was bolt on anyway, whats your plan for paint?
  13. I don't ever remember any late 60's/early 70's cars with any of those parts in it. I don't see any correlation between this car and any of the movies you mentioned. You're building a Rat Rod but calling it something different. Build what you want, but don't be surprised at the comments on this site and what people say wherever you park it.

    In the end, you're going to be putting a lot of money into a car with too many different, unrelated styling themes and a concept that nobody will understand. Building a car with a dirtbag/sleeze concept from the beginning is a recipe for an abortion.
    Theme cars..........................why?

    OK, there's my 2 cents worth. I want my fuckin' change back!
    Last edited: Oct 4, 2012
  14. Don's Hot Rods
    Joined: Oct 7, 2005
    Posts: 8,319

    Don's Hot Rods
    from florida

    Your car in the pictures actually looks pretty good, I think it is just your description of the vision you have for it and the movie references that has all of us confused. (Not sure what Pulp Fiction has to do with a car, or Reseroir Dogs either :confused:) You evidentlly have a certain view of what the 70's were and want to create a car to fit that era.

    Personally, I would rather forget the 70's pretty much, and IMO some of the worst stuff was going on carwise in that decade. Guys were just coming off of muscle cars and hot rods and customs were being built with some odd features, like tires hanging way out beyond the fenders, goofy paint schemes, strange interiors, etc.

    But if that is what you want it is your car, so have at it. :) If you put a CB in not sure who you will be talking too as I imagine the only people that have one today might be truckers. :D
  15. 41will
    Joined: Jul 18, 2012
    Posts: 45

    from Hanover PA

    Only one of those movies I think I've seen all of and remember enough of is Smokey. There is a t bucket in there somewhere. Don't remember if it had a cb or not.

    More on point. That thing looks good as it is. It's your car. Build it like you want. But I'd put crazy headers on it and lots of metalflake.
  16. 1931modela
    Joined: Nov 4, 2011
    Posts: 262

    from montana

  17. patmanta
    Joined: May 10, 2011
    Posts: 3,560

    from Woburn, MA

    I think I get what you're going for, you're going for some of the feel of those movies and want to use some of the period parts?

    And by sleaze you're going more along the lines of Tex Avery than Wooderson from Dazed & Confused. Or visa-versa?

    I'd be inclined to say that if what you're going for is an idealized 70's Hot Rod & not just a Rat Rod, choose your parts carefully, make sure things look right. I'd avoid boxy lights. Also, paint it. You've already got a 2-tone thing going, so I say go with it. Do the top black and find a vibrant color of the period you like and METAL FLAKE IT!
  18. junk yard kid
    Joined: Nov 11, 2007
    Posts: 2,720

    junk yard kid

    come on guys, think "joe dirt"
  19. Ghost of ElMirage
    Joined: Mar 18, 2007
    Posts: 758

    Ghost of ElMirage

    Why not just build a hotrod?
  20. Tommy R
    Joined: May 18, 2004
    Posts: 717

    Tommy R

    Yeah, count me in as one of the many confused folks. Do you have any pictures of cars you're trying to emulate? Sounds like you're making something up that never existed, but right now it sure sounds like you're building a rat rod, not a traditional hot rod.
  21. graverobber63
    Joined: Sep 8, 2004
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    Alliance Vendor

  22. ScooterCO
    Joined: Nov 28, 2007
    Posts: 89

    from Parker, CO

    How about Ben-Hur.. as you got that open charriot thing going on..
    Or were you going to use doors?
  23. WillysRule
    Joined: Feb 22, 2007
    Posts: 799

    from Central FL

    I'll try to give you some constructive criticism. If you're going for a 70's themed hot rod, the whitewalls have to go. The piecrust Firestones, whitewalls, and Supremes are more mid 60s show car theme. The tunnel ram isn't really mid 60's, but if you get rid of the modern valve covers, and put some finned covers or Corvette valve covers, you'd be more mid 60s correct.

    If you want to stick with a 70's themed rod, then get some aluminum slot wheels. Make them 15x10 rear and 15x6 or 7 front. Make the front tires a little less wide than the wheel, so that they balloon out a little on the wheel. Put some 50 series Pro Trac or Mickey T Indy series tires on the rear. When I say 50 series, I'm not talkin' 1950's tires, I'm talking about N50-15 or G50-15, etc... Aluminum slots and 50 series tires were the standard back then. Paint it black with yellow/orange flames. This was wildly popular in the 70s. The working 8-track could be neat touch to complete the theme, and put a 3-spoke steering wheel in it, with a wood grain wheel. Make the iterior black naugahyde, with wide pleats or even a diamond tuck pattern. For the engine, keep the side pipes, put some finned valve covers on it, and ditch the Hilborn style carb scoop. Run some dish type/velocity stack style carb inlets and filters. You could put an oogah horn, but leave the dixie horn for the Dukes of Hazard. Here's a few 70's style car pics for reference. The black & flamed A coupe is the epitome of a 70s style rod, with the exception of the painted wheels. Decide on what you want, go with consistent styling ques from that time, and leave the gimicks and drama in the movies.

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  24. falcongeorge
    Joined: Aug 26, 2010
    Posts: 18,341

    from BC

    I love the late sixties look. Not sure what it has to do with the original post though...:confused::rolleyes:
  25. falcongeorge
    Joined: Aug 26, 2010
    Posts: 18,341

    from BC

    As I understand it, he's building a rat rod with a CB whip and an 8-track???:confused::confused:
  26. falcongeorge
    Joined: Aug 26, 2010
    Posts: 18,341

    from BC

    Ding, ding ding. We have a winnah!
  27. studebaker eric
    Joined: May 9, 2008
    Posts: 1,514

    studebaker eric
    from Diablo Ca.

    Most guys tried to make their cars look good, No matter how bad it was, even guys with long hair. The crap look/rat rod look is a new thing.
  28. rustrodder
    Joined: Nov 15, 2005
    Posts: 278


    Don't forget the shag carpet!

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