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Hot Rods 59 AMC 327 to 200 4R

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by Ron Brehm, Mar 8, 2018.

  1. Ron Brehm
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    I have a 59 AMC Cross Country wagon with original 327. Looking to install Chevy 200 4R trans. Not been able to locate a transmission adapter for that application. Any leads or ideas??????
     
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  2. Rusty O'Toole
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    Have you considered rebuilding the original trans? They used a Borg Warner that was used in many different cars, parts are still available. The AMC guys should be able to help.
     
  3. tubman
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    For anything weird like this, the first place to try is Bengston's. I have no idea if they have one, but they can put a Seagrave V12 against a GM automatic, so anything's possible,
     
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  4. Ron Brehm
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    Thank you for the reply, trying to incorporate overdrive into the build. Current original trans is 3 speed.
     
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  5. Ron Brehm
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    Thanks for replying, tried googling Bengston's didn't see any contact info.
     
  6. RAK
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    It's Bendtsen's (I think), www.transmissionadapters.com . Just looked and they don't list one for AMC but will custom make one so I guess if you just have to have one......dig deep
     
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  7. Ron Brehm
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    Yes, I did contact them and a guy would need some deep pockets to have one made.
     
  8. Ron Brehm
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    Appreciate the help.
     
  9. Farna on this forum would know if anyone does. Also might contact Advance Adapters or Novak just to see what they tell you.
     
  10. Hnstray
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    For some makes/models of engine and transmissions the engineering and machining required is substantial. For other combinations the adapter is fairly simple. I have no idea where your AMC engine block falls in that spectrum. However, it might well be worth investigating making your own. If you are uncertain of your ability to evaluate that
    possibility, yo might find a machinist who would be interested in participating for a reasonable fee. Best wishes with whatever you decide.

    Ray
     
  11. goldmountain
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    If I remember correctly, early '60's Jeep Wagoneers with the AMC 327 used a Buick nailhead TH400 with an adapter plate. If you can locate this adapter and an old Buick TH400, you can probably use a gearvendors overdrive if you have enough money.
     
  12. rnscustom
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    Try asking at theamcforum.com great group of guys ,
     
  13. BOP is not Chevy pattern. Wheres an adapter for GM to GM.
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  16. rnscustom
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    Could be wrong but the 4 cane in the grand nationals , just a different valve body ??
     
  17. rnscustom
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    Multi bolt pattern too , which would only help if there is an adapter existing for one of the gm's
     
  18. Clay Belt
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    May want to try a BOP 200R4
     
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  19. Ron Brehm
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    Wow, great website. thank you all for your feedback.
     
  20. Hnstray
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    There are no separate Chevy or BOP 2004R bolt patterns. All 2004R automatics are multi-pattern cases and fit Chev/BOP engine blocks.

    Turbo-Hydramatic 350 and 400 have distinct bolt patterns for their original application (Chevy or BOP) except for a few later production TH-350C models which were multi-pattern cases. 700R4 cases are Chevrolet pattern or GM 60* V6 and 4 cylinder pattern.

    Ray
     
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  21. Clay Belt
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    The more you (or at least I) know
     
  22. Hnstray
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    I don't understand your comment.......was my post offensive in some way?

    Ray
     
  23. Clay Belt
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    Nope, it's me commenting on the fact that I learned something new. I thought they had different bellhousings on that transmission
     
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  24. Hnstray
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    Phew! :)....Thanks for the reply...
     
  25. goldmountain
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    Regarding my previous comment, I was referring to the round bellhousing used on the old Buick nailheads, not the BOP or Chev patterns. Also, do you realize that old Ramblers used torque tubes up to 1966 which opens up a new can of worms?
     
  26. TexasT
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    While the multi pattern is much more common, the 2004r was produced with a bop onlt and a chevy only bell also.
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    Multi pattern

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    Chevy pattern

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    BOP Pattern
     
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  28. Hnstray
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    You may be correct, but I have serous doubts about that regarding specifically the TH2004R. The TH200/250 has Chev only and BOP only cases, I had a TH200 with BOP a few years ago. But I do not believe that applies to TH2004R. Every bit of information I have ever seen over the years in that regard has affirmed multi-fit case on all 2004R. I currently have four 2004R trannies and had another one awhile back and have never seen a Chev only case (nor BOP only) even though at least three of the 2004R's I have, and had, came from Chevy powered vehicles (Camaro and Monte Carlo).

    But, with verifiable facts I am open to standing corrected. I don't like being infected with misinformation. Can you post a reliable reference and application of years and models that have either/or but not both patterns?

    Ray
     

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