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  1. Early Ironman
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    I removed the firewall stantions and recessed my firewall a few inches.
    My question is if anyone has experienced excessive flex in the body due to this. My father is an engineer and he expressed his concern that the windshield may break. He was also a rodder back in the day and had heard it could happen back in the 60s.
    Thanks
     
  2. 302GMC
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    Probably several million '49-'54 Chevvies running with V8s & the ribs cut out. Doesn't seem to make much difference.
     
  3. chopolds
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    Richie Glymph's chopped 54 had a cracked windshield, and IIRC, he attributed it to removing the reinforcements.
     
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  4. Tman
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    not needed, they were actually only there to hold the body on the assembly line and thenre used for body mts

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  5. Are you speaking of the vertical stiffeners on the firewall or are you speaking of the front-most body mounts ?
    If the vertical stiffeners, guys have trimmed or removed them, without reported problems. But, if they were thought not to be needed, GM wouldn't have spent the time or money to include them.
    If you have removed the front-most body mounts, that removal has the possibility of problems for you.
     
  6. mrconcdid
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    I removed mine with no issues with a big block as well, I have seen hundreds of them trimmed or removed, I have never pulled a wheelie but that might crack the windshield.
    Godspeed
    MrC. IMG_20141129_163838_308.jpg IMG_20141130_125616_489.jpg
     
  7. It's your car and your desire to remove the stanchions. I suggest you follow your dreams because as others have said there are many car's out there with them removed and without issue's. The 56 in my aviator had them unbolted and without support from any bushing for years until I finally got everything painted. No issue's. I'm sorry but Father's "could happen" is likely from some other over sight involving more structural removal or structure changes that over weakened the body of those he's referring to.
     
  8. jcmarz
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    When are you young turds going to learn that Dad is always right:D
     
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  9. Early Ironman
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    Here is my firewall it's not finished yet.
     

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  10. Again, are you speaking of the vertical stiffeners on the firewall or are you speaking of the front-most body mounts ?
     
  11. flux capacitor
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    I notched the LH side to clear rear carb "6 cyl". A pal once had a 52 hardtop with SBC transplant & they both were gone before he acquired it. He went with the split 2 piece windshield & logged lots of miles on it yet he experienced no cracked glass. Flux.
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  12. gimpyshotrods
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    I have done about 20. No issues.
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  13. Brian: If it was a convertible, it may be an issue. Being a hardtop car I wouldn't worry about it.
     
  14. 56sedandelivery
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    This is one of those things that has been beat to death, but it keeps coming up. Most guys will TRIM the uprights just enough so valve covers clear, and then TRIM the lower portion just enough to clear exhaust manifolds. There are guys who remove the entire rib and support/body mount, and claim they've had no issues. Most things are a little over engineered to begin with. When we did the V-8 swap into the 51 Bus Coupe, we removed just enough to do the job, but tried to keep it looking as stock as possible, and doing a clean job. I am Butch/56sedandelivery.
     
  15. Early Ironman
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    The virtical stiffeners.
     
  16. As said, you'll probably never have an issue, with trimming or removing vertical stifferers.
    Now, if the front-most body mounts are being removed, that may create issues.
     
  17. gimpyshotrods
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    I have done post, hardtop and convertible in my time.

    Hardtops and convertibles have more structure in the body. They also have additional metal inside the top of the top hat frame rail.

    Traditional?
     
  18. Early Ironman
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  19. You probably have more strength in that firewall now, due to the recess, than what the vertical stiffeners provided.
     
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  20. junkman8888
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    Those braces are not there to brace the body, they are there to brace the frame. You need to remember the "top-hat" style of frame used under your Chevy originated in the mid 30's, so by the 50's it was completely outdated. This is why when Oldsmobile decided to run the more-powerful (and wider) V-8 the braces had to go so they used a"C" channel style frame with an "X" member.
     
  21. Early Ironman
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    Yeah, I don't care for the factory frame. Can't afford an Art Morrison though. So I did my best to build a heavy duty crossmember in the center of the frame to stiffen it and the body up.


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  22. dan c
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    not really up on them, but the first v-8 oldses were the same bodies as the chevvies. don't think they came with the firewall stiffeners.
     
  23. junkman8888
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    dan c is correct, I have a '50 Olds carcass, it does not have any bracing from the firewall to the frame, just the body mounts below the door posts.
     
  24. Early Ironman
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    [​IMG][​IMG][​IMG]
    Slowly getting everything mocked up. Really happy with the amount of room I have behind the engine.
    Just wish these engines were not so damn ugly!


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  25. High5
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    My '54 Chevy has not had ribs or front body mounts since the 60's and never lost a windshield or anything else for that matter.
    Firewall.jpg
     
  26. Early Ironman
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    Holy moly!
    Now that is one seriously recessed engine!
    Would love to see some more pics of your car.


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  27. dan31
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    ^^^ High5 do you have to sit in the back seat to time it?. Mine is gone with a 383 and no problems at all.
     
  28. High5
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    The engine is set back 20%. There's still room to drive normally. The pedals are moved to the left to accommodate the dog house. The car was first modified with a Pontiac 389 and 4 speed. It now has a 350 Chevy and turbo transmission. You can see photos of it in Traditional Rod and Kulture magazine from a couple issues back and also Hot Rod Deluxe in this latest issue (under the Scrapbook section). The car was dubbed "Highway Child". I also added photos to the thread on this forum titled "Show off your gasser!" Thanks for asking about it.
     
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  29. hrm2k
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    this is the firewall in our 51 Fleetline. We set the engine back 10 inches and took 9 inches out of the firewall. The recess is made from a Polaris Gas tank that was widened about 6 inches. We used the wrong tail lights so it is not HAMB friendly

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  30. Early Ironman
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    That is a clean looking firewall. Good job and great looking project!
    My engine isn't H.A.M.B. Friendly either. But overall, it will look like a 50's custom. So hope they will be kind enough to overlook the untraditional parts of what will appear to be a traditional build.


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