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Technical 427 Ford engine

Discussion in 'Traditional Hot Rods' started by birdman1, Oct 3, 2021.

  1. birdman1
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    The very first 1963 427 ford's with the single carburetor didn't have the cross bolted mains . Only the 2x4 engine.
     
  2. Budget36
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    Ok! Probably a thread you wanted to post this info for?
     
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  3. Deuces
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    As always... pictures or it never happened!.....o_O:D:rolleyes:
     
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  4. birdman1
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    Heck, I don't know what I'm doing. I just wanted to see if anyone else remembered it .
     
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  5. RmK57
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    I didn't think there was a single 4 barrel version until 1967. In 1967 you could get a hydraulic cam, single 4 barrel 427 in a 67 Fairlane and I believe a Cougar also.
     
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  6. Marty Strode
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    I think the 67 GT 500, had dual 4's and a hydraulic cam.
     
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  7. RmK57
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    That is correct but the 67 GT 500 came with 428 PI's.

    For the record the engine vin for a 427 single 4 barrel in 67-68 should be a "W".
     
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  8. saltflats
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    Does it make a difference?
     
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  9. Marty Strode
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    Your right, they were 355 hp.
     
  10. I used to have an early 63 427 low riser.
    It had the 4 bolt mains.
    I have even heard of a 406 block with 4 bolt mains.
     
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  11. jimmy six
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    All NASCAR FE’s were single carb engines on stock intakes and available to the public since 1958.
     
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  13. unforgiven
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    2 things that is the first I have heard of early 427’s not having cross bolts.
    In 63 and 64 you could get a single 4 on a 427. The R cars had 2 4’s. This is for the Galaxie’s
     
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  14. RmK57
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    I've never ever seen one that early on a original factory Galaxie or Monterey.

    I wonder what the engine vin letter would be? Just looked it up and it would a Q-code. Interesting.
     
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  15. Since the last of the 406s had cross bolted mains, I would imagine that all 427s would have them.
     
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  16. I have been interested in FE’s since I bought my first truck, a 1966 F-100 with an FE. I was told by the seller it was a 390, but what the heck did I know, I was 16. I know that FoMoCo made more powerful engines, but to me, the 427 is the end all, be all when it comes to “Power by Ford”. To me, a 427 is like a 409 to Chevrolet guys, and a 426 Hemi is to Mopar guys. Please keep the 427 information coming!
     
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  17. MeanGene427
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    The early 427s came as the Q-Code 1x4, 410 hp, and the R-code 2x4, 425hp. I have helped with engine parts for the restoration of 3 63-1/2 NASCAR cars- this one has my old crankshaft in it. BTW, the #29 Mustang in the background sports a very rare 302 Tunnel Port engine 005.JPG
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    This one has my old intake on it
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    This one I supplied the original breather parts for

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    Never heard of any early production 427s without crossbolts, and I have and have had several 63-1/2 blocks. There were some Industrial 427 versions that have been rescued from water pump former lives without crossbolts, and you might find a light-duty boat block the same way. "Q" code shifted to the new 428-4V in 66, and later designated the non-Ram Air version of the 428CJ, with R-code being the Ram Air version
     
  18. speedshifter
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  19. finn
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    All 427 passenger car 427s, including the 63-64 Q code, single four barrel 410 hp engines had cross bolted mains.

    62 406 engines were spewing their guts in Nascar, which led to the development of the cross bolted lower end, which was in all 427s.

    Some 406 engines had cross bolts too, but wether they were crate engines or production engines, installed on the line, isn’t well documented, as far as I know.

    Also, some 427 blocks with provisions for four bolts (bosses cast in the crankcase) were used in industrial applications. Some marine 427s may not have been machined for cross bolts.
     
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  20. MeanGene427 is correct. I live in the land of irrigation engines. Being a former Ford engine drag racer, I have knowledge of 427's, 428's and sohc engines. When Ford saw the writing on the wall, it's plan was to dispose of all the side oiler 427 blocks and the standard oiler blocks that hadn't been machine for 4 bolt mains. Industrial engine sales were going well. Bare in mind that in 1971, you could buy a 428 industrial in a crate for around $750. One of the people that I know has a side oiler 427 sitting in his storage. I haven't seen it so I can't verify if that is correct. In 1976, I was given a 427 from and irrigation well. It had all the bosses but wasn't machined for the cross bolt caps. I was told that they had 12-1 pop up pistons. The piston was a flat top forged unit with two protrusions that were designed to push the valves back into place if there was valve float. In retrospect, there is no way that was a 12.5 piston. LOL. Maybe 10.5. :) To the best of my knowledge, none of the passenger cars with 406's or 427's came without cross bolt mains. The 428's all came with 2 bolt mains. A few months of serious hot rodding and the 428's had crank problems. The cop car engines seemed to last longer than a rodder's engine. Imagine that. :)
     
  21. speedshifter
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    This might be slightly off topic. I have a friend who bought a new 61 Starliner with a 401 hp 390 engine. He said he wanted that engine in a plain jane 2door post model. The dealer told him that high powered 390engine was only available in a Starliner or a Sunliner. Was the dealer pulling my friend's leg? That friend's Starliner had a t85 3spd with OD & a 5.12 ratio rear& won the super stock class at Sioux City Ia drag strip. Greg
     
  22. Deuces
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    Too bad Ford didn't use that 390/401 in the 67-68 Mustang GT... Those were stuck with the 335 hp version....:rolleyes::(
     
  23. Not true. The only year a hydraulic-cam 427 was available was '68, and only in the Cougar GT-E. This was a detuned version rated at 390 HP, had a single four and came only with the C6 trans. The only reason for this engine was to keep it 'production legal' for NASCAR until '69 when the Boss 429 was due to arrive. All other 427 engine options were gone after '67.

    Both the 406 and 427 were always available with a single four barrel and all were solid lifter motors except for the above-mentioned '68.
     
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  24. It should be noted that Ford didn't promote the solid-lifter 427 after '64. Warranty issues and complaints from buyers convinced them that these weren't really suitable as RPOs, they were just too wild and wooly for most owners. They continued to only offer them in the full-size cars until the last year they were available in '67, limiting their desirability as the Mustang was now the performance king at Ford. It didn't help that 'normal' items like power steering/brakes, automatic transmissions and AC also weren't available. In '67 they did finally offer them in the Fairlane, but not the GT; you could only get one in a Fairlane 500. Again, the primary reason for all this was to keep it legal for NASCAR.

    Some sources claim that the 427 was available in the Fairlane '66-68. That's only partially true. Ford did build a limited number of '66 427 Fairlanes (50 IIRC) but these went straight to the dragstrip. I've never seen a documented 427 '68, only the Cougars.
     
  25. MeanGene427
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    Not true, solid lifter 427 cars were advertised and provided for magazine tests right thru '67- the most famous probably this one
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    I have this road test upstairs
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    This is my buddy's old sponsored '66

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    Another ad

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  26. 327Eric
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    I have a Holley secondary carb from a dual 4 setup that the part number lists for a 68 427 (2 4v)(s) (c80f-9510ad).
     
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  27. Oh, Ford did a few ads and showed some prototypes/factory specials to create 'buzz' for the cars but failed to deliver for various reasons. Ford was desperate to break into the intermediate big-block market to compete with the 427 Chevelles and 440 Mopars but the 427 was too slap-dash for daily use besides having production problems. As race cars they were easily the equals of the GM and Chrysler offerings and that's how most of them ended up, but as-delivered as street cars they weren't much quicker than the 390GT cars but cost considerably more. Less than 350 cars over two years and two Marques didn't give them much in the way of 'street cred' either. Most people saw them at the strip, rarely on the street. I've seen more home-brew 427 cars on the street than these.

    Utter Havoc - 1967 Ford Fairlane XL500 427 | Hemmings Motor News

    I'm not dissing the 427; it is after all the only production American V8 that can boast of winning both Daytona and LeMans and will likely remain so. But it's legacy has always been racing, that's what it was designed for.
     
  28. unforgiven
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    I have always had a 390. Dreamed of having a 427. Ford has always even through today built a limited run of the truly high performance cars. While their competition made them very available.

    I have learned some interesting stuff from this thread though.
     
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  29. 1952henry
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    Thanks for the good reads, fellas. Can't learn enough about the old FE tire shredders.
     
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