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Projects '40 Ford frame repair, Welding advice?

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by 27T, Jan 24, 2010.

  1. 27T
    Joined: Nov 16, 2006
    Posts: 639


    This is the best frame I could find for my '40 PU. I asked a friend who is a welder if he would fix it for me, he said no, it should be put on a frame table before any cutting/welding is done. Does anyone have any advice? Would I be stupid to try and brace it somehow and do it myself? or should I pay pro with a frame table to to it?
  2. Corn Fed
    Joined: May 16, 2002
    Posts: 3,101

    Corn Fed

    I agree with your friend. To get it right you should put it in jig/table. I would also recommend boxing it in the front and rear to help reinforce the repair. Unfortunatley the cost of paying someone to fix and modify it will probably cost close to what it would to buy a whole new frame.
  3. hotrod40coupe
    Joined: Apr 8, 2007
    Posts: 2,562


    You could probably get an aftermarket frame for what that one would cost to fix.
  4. I'd make a nice piece to butt weld the inner first them same for outside. Looks like it was full of dirt and rusted out. How good is the frame to begin with?

  5. buickvalvenut
    Joined: Oct 29, 2008
    Posts: 660

    from Rialto

    you could do the repair then have a friend put it up on a frame machine. i would box it up then do the repair.
  6. no reason you can't fix that frame. if your not doing a restoration why not? what is the cost of a new frame. buy a welder and go for it. check out the frame on my 38' in my albums as it needs some TLC from somebody installing a 50' ford front suspension. if i found a complete front frame clip with axle i would cut mine in half and add the new one with no worries. thats how they did their collision repairs years ago.
  7. fab32
    Joined: May 14, 2002
    Posts: 13,985

    Member Emeritus

    Start by getting ahold of a blueprint for your frame. Then check yours against the correct dimensions. Depending on how yours matches up come up with a logical plan to repair ir. If you've never done this kind of work it would be best to contact csomeone who has. It IS very helpful to have a ridgid frame table to work off of but not entirely necessary if you continually check dimensions and squareness while doing the repair. Again, an experienced hand is best.
    BTW, frame dimensions are in the back of Wescott's catalog or on their website.

  8. 53sled
    Joined: Jul 5, 2005
    Posts: 5,818

    from KCMO

  9. rdemilt
    Joined: Jan 12, 2009
    Posts: 135

    from so florida

    I would like to see a shot showing more of the frame. and know what you are attempting with the finished car ( i.e daily driver ect.) . that being said... I would not be afraid to have it repaired. I repaired the frame of a 50's ford truck by cutting out the bad section and replacing it with section from a parts truck. I cross braced the frame in all directions, removed the bad area, took several reference measurements, cut and ground the replacement section and butt welded it in. I cant tell in your picture but in my case I cut out and removed the entire piece, top to bottom and 2 feet long, meaning my frame was in 2 pieces. in your case you may only need the lower portion which would make it even easier.

    My repair was done many years ago and I drive the truck daily with no signs of any failure. I am sure there will be others who think otherwise but for my budget and situation Im glad i did it. Its really no different than the way some guys clip front ends.

    PM if you need additional pictures. before, during and after.

    DSC04804 - Copy.jpg
  10. solid
    Joined: May 20, 2007
    Posts: 1,459


    that frame can be fixed easy enough. 35-40,(41 truck) in the aftermarket are high dollar. Cleaning, grinding, migging, and more grinding is all you need to make that frame useable.
  11. nutajunka
    Joined: Jan 24, 2007
    Posts: 1,466


    What he said, I've seen worse and I've seen better. Metal is metal, do it right as it is your foundation.
  12. hellonwheels
    Joined: Jan 16, 2007
    Posts: 674


    A buddy and I fixed my 36 frame using some repair pieces from, they fit pretty decently. Everything was jigged on a frame table, leveled and measured for square and mig welded with a 220v Miller. We plug welded large fish plates on the inside rails and boxed the outside frame rails. Took some time but I prefer original Henry Ford steel to the aftermarket stuff...

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  13. chaddilac
    Joined: Mar 21, 2006
    Posts: 13,975


    Me and Toast did his while the body was on it!!! Worked fine! give it a shot!!
  14. 27T
    Joined: Nov 16, 2006
    Posts: 639


    This is the truck it's going under, so it doesn't have to be perfect, just want a solid/useable frame. This is the best frame I could find in my budget, think it was $200 with the rear axle and steering column, the only rust free frames i found were $1000+, and too far away....
  15. 27T
    Joined: Nov 16, 2006
    Posts: 639


    looks good!
  16. krylon32
    Joined: Jan 29, 2006
    Posts: 7,918

    Alliance Vendor
    from Nebraska

    I build 28-48 repro chassis in my shop, but if someone came to me with that frame and a budget I would tell them to use what they have. I no longer do repairs, but I would start with a good sand blasting to see where the weak spots that might be hiding are then go from there. Get it square and level. I started 40 years ago with a good set of steel saw horses, a flat floor, and 4 weights to keep the frame tied down. I know a lot of guys knock Wescotts diagram but it's dam close. You can buy a lot of tools for the cost of a repro chassis. You gotta learn sometime, and now is the time. (I think I just shot my foot off!)
  17. koolkemp
    Joined: May 7, 2004
    Posts: 6,006


    Maybe...but I think you gave out some great advice !
  18. enjenjo
    Joined: Mar 2, 2001
    Posts: 2,566

    from swanton oh

    YOU can fix that no problem. You can't pay some one else to fix that for less than the $1000 frame three states away, at least if it's done right. Check for more hidden rust, at the top of the kickup, and at the rear near the gas tank mounting.
  19. Thorkle Rod
    Joined: May 24, 2006
    Posts: 1,392

    Thorkle Rod

    My frame on my 36 had a few issues and I cut the crap out of it and welded all back together using stationtions bolted to the Floor and cross supports. Just get a good welder than can handle 3/16 thick Material in a single pass, A cut off wheel and a good grinder and go for it. Or bring it down to Texas and we can do it together for next to nothing.
    Last edited: Jan 25, 2010
  20. getting it blasted first is a good plan of attack. $200 bucks for it was a score. hell it started out in 9 pieces whats a few more gonna hurt!
  21. Shaggy
    Joined: Mar 6, 2003
    Posts: 5,207

    from Sultan, WA

    Its a normal place to rot out on them, just dive in and measure corner to corner to make sure it stays square, it's always on the exhaust side too, i had 2 of those frames, both were rotted out there
  22. If the frame is straight, just tack in some bracing then do the repair. Unless you are building a flats car or something where perfect tolerances are a must you should be good to go.

    I know what the right way in a perfect world/pocketbook is however some of us just need to get the job done and it is more than possible to do yourself.

    It's not rocket surgery.
  23. rtsidejohnny
    Joined: Sep 29, 2006
    Posts: 246


    I totally agree with Probesport. Go for it yourself!
  24. bob308
    Joined: Nov 27, 2009
    Posts: 220


    if that rrailer it is on is stiff you can use that for a frame table. i have done it many times on my car trailer.
  25. oldrelics
    Joined: Apr 7, 2008
    Posts: 1,727

    from Calgary

  26. okiedokie
    Joined: Jul 5, 2005
    Posts: 4,473

    from Ok

    IMO, listen to Krylon32, If someone who builds frames like his says do it, then just do it.
  27. Southfork
    Joined: Dec 15, 2001
    Posts: 1,465


    Yeah, Gary (Krylon32) knows his stuff.
  28. DirtyWoody28
    Joined: Feb 26, 2008
    Posts: 595


    i replaced the entire passenger side rail on my 36, it came out great
  29. 27T
    Joined: Nov 16, 2006
    Posts: 639


    WOW! looks good! hopefully mine wont need this much:confused: But it does make me less afraid of cutting mine up to fix, did frame stay square without any bracing?
  30. 29nash
    Joined: Nov 6, 2008
    Posts: 4,544

    from colorado

    Yep. Since you already indicate that you know how to weld. It ain't rocket science............ Even if you ARE doing a restoration.

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