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Technical 4 on the tree

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  1. SnakePlissken69
    Joined: Oct 24, 2019
    Posts: 56


    Most people (self included) had never heard of such a thing. I only learned about it after buying my 64 falcon club wagon recently. So here's a pic of an owners manual showing how it works. I suppose it wouldn't be all that difficult to drive now that I look at it. Anyway, neat bit of history 94A7D52B-63A9-438C-A564-DC3A4A14773D.png
  2. oldiron 440
    Joined: Dec 12, 2018
    Posts: 1,507

    oldiron 440

    That has got to be a rare option.
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  3. LM14
    Joined: Dec 18, 2009
    Posts: 1,932

    from Iowa

    Mercedes used a on the tree, too.
  4. pwschuh
    Joined: Oct 27, 2008
    Posts: 2,269


    I have an OT car with a 5 on the tree.
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  5. Didn't Simca's of the '60s have that?
  6. drtrcrV-8
    Joined: Jan 6, 2013
    Posts: 1,260


    '63 Econoline van had a 4-on-the-tree option(SAAB GT also had it)
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  7. DDDenny
    Joined: Feb 6, 2015
    Posts: 13,417

    from oregon

    I recall mid/late 60's Chevy vans also having that option.
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  8. john walker
    Joined: Sep 11, 2008
    Posts: 1,105

    john walker

    My old DKW 3=6 had 4 on the tree.
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  9. fiftyv8
    Joined: Mar 11, 2007
    Posts: 4,996

    from CO & WA

    4 on the tree meaning 4 forward gears I assume.
    Many or most English and European small cars had this configuration.
    Early Japanese including Toyota and Nissan/Datsun including many of their commercial vehicles also were sold this way.
    In the USA the Hillman was probably one of the best example, although some were sold with a floor stick shift.
    My old F100 6 cylinder had 3 on the tree.
    In Australia most Holden's and Falcon's (6 cylinder engines) that I recall came that way unless automatic which upto about 1970's remained on the column.
    The Toyota Crown a 6 cylinder sedan came with 4 on the tree.
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  10. Flat Roy
    Joined: Nov 23, 2007
    Posts: 401

    Flat Roy

    Had a 51 Chevy hotrod with a corvette 4 speed. was easy to make 4 on the tree. had an extra pull up knob for reverse.
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  11. rustydusty
    Joined: Apr 19, 2010
    Posts: 1,546


    Had a '61 Citroen with 4 on the tree...
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  12. A have a friend that has a late 60's Chevy van with a 4 on the tree, but I have never seen a Ford van with the 4 speed on the column, gotta be a rare item. HRP
    Last edited: Jun 26, 2020
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  13. Squablow
    Joined: Apr 26, 2005
    Posts: 14,398


    That's wild. I knew a lot of Euro cars did that but never thought any US manufacturers made 4 on the column.
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  14. no55mad
    Joined: Dec 15, 2006
    Posts: 1,846

    from nipomo, ca

    Hillman's had 4 ott.
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  15. GTS225
    Joined: Jul 2, 2006
    Posts: 1,156


    Hmmmm. Must have been a bit "busy" from the column to the trans.

  16. fleetside66
    Joined: Nov 20, 2006
    Posts: 2,530


    A friend had a 4-on-the-tree 1959 Saab.
  17. greybeard360
    Joined: Feb 28, 2008
    Posts: 1,458


    That was a Dagenham 4 spd in the vans. I have seen a few but not real common.
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  18. When I had my Shop in Tucson, AZ I use to Service one, that was
    about 38 year's ago and it was a Ford 63 or 4 its getting Hard to Remember
    some things, I think that the Trans was English & the Customer
    bought it New at the Ford Dealer,
    He turned it into a Motor Home for when he went Hunting up North
    near Flag.
    It had everything that a Motor Home of today would Have!

    Just my 3.5 cents

    Live Learn & Die a Fool
  19. Mimilan
    Joined: Jun 13, 2019
    Posts: 560


    The Dagenham 4 speed gearbox around '64 was from the English MK3 Zephyr. [Ford]
    They were all 4 speed column shift. [You had to pull the gear knob outwards, as a reverse lock-out, then shift into reverse]
    Last edited: Dec 9, 2019
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  20. Terraizer
    Joined: Jul 18, 2006
    Posts: 497


    A friend has a late 1960's International Loadstar 1600 Cabover with a 5 speed column shift.
  21. seb fontana
    Joined: Sep 1, 2005
    Posts: 6,458

    seb fontana
    from ct

    That is probably an interesting linkage..
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  22. H380
    Joined: Sep 20, 2015
    Posts: 433

    from Louisiana

    Uncle had a 78 or so Ford pickup with a 4 on the column. Granny first.
  23. wackdaddy
    Joined: Nov 11, 2015
    Posts: 160


    Took my drivers licence test at 16 in 1971 with my mom's 59 Ford Consul 4 ott. No ground gears. Passed
  24. Mimilan
    Joined: Jun 13, 2019
    Posts: 560


    Toyota HiAce vans from the 80's were 5 speed column shift.

    The gearbox has 2 levers ! one for up/down and the other for forward/back

    The gearbox was basically a Supra/Celica/HiLux where gearsets and casings interchange.
    You can fit Supra gearsets into a HiAce and get a close ratio 5 speed column shift.

    We have a friend with a Hilux stadium race truck that kept landing on it's nose [over jumps]
    The engine /box was shifted back 24" and the supra gearset was installed in a HiAce van casing.
    Then he used the cable shifter and cables to shift it ,with the gearbox behind the driver
  25. fiftyv8
    Joined: Mar 11, 2007
    Posts: 4,996

    from CO & WA

    There was a lot of 6 cylinder vehicles out there in the 50's and 60's that could have benefited from 4 on the tree or floor for that matter
  26. buick bill
    Joined: Dec 18, 2008
    Posts: 420

    buick bill
    from yreka;ca

    when I was 8 my dad had ( for a very short time ) a simca with 4 on the tree . how did I remember that from 50 yrs ago.what are we talking about ?
    Last edited: Dec 10, 2019
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  27. My first car was a 62 Consul 315, 4 speed on the column.
  28. strait8
    Joined: Jun 11, 2014
    Posts: 142

    from Skokie, IL

    Does anybody have any examples (pictures) of a 4 on the tree using the pull knob for reverse? Would love to see how that works. I love my 3 speed column shift but with a Buick straight eight it would be cool to get an extra gear, get rid of the torque tube AND keep the column shift.
  29. Boneyard51
    Joined: Dec 10, 2017
    Posts: 4,008


    There’s a dude here in Oklahoma selling one with a 4 on the tree , for $1300!

  30. Dick Stevens
    Joined: Aug 7, 2012
    Posts: 2,821

    Dick Stevens

    I had a Borgward that had 4 on the tree. That was fun driving but it took a little getting use to.

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