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Projects 348 powered 40 Ford sedan

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by neilswheels, Jul 31, 2014.

  1. neilswheels
    Joined: Aug 26, 2006
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    neilswheels
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    from England

    Its been a while since I've managed to do anything on my 40, about 2 years, so I decided to farm it out, and its going well.
    Here's what i'd done up to this point, but a lot has changed
    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/media/albums/my-40-sedan.30348/

    My original plan was to lower it, go thru the brakes etc and drive it, then at a later date drop in the 348 and other bits. But I've bitten the bullet, and now the 348 is going in with a five speed.
    I'm happily suprised how well the big motor's going in, no firewall mods, no steering box issues, (thanks to a manifold swap, left one on right side and right on left!), oil filter good, the only thing that fowls is the mechanical petrol pump. Marco at Juarez Traditional Fabrication is handling the install.
    Here's a few pics, i'll post more as it develops.
    The car as i bought it, about 9 years ago..
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    Where I got it to before I 'stalled'
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    so that was dropped axle, pancaked rear crossmeber and some floor repair work, brake lines.
    Fast forward to this month, down at Marco's shop..
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    The T5 is a Camaro box, shifter on the back of the tail, but it will miss the bench seat, and I cant afford an S10 unit. Bit of a shame as it would all fit under the floor with the S10, but hey, I like those crazy 55 Chevy bench seat Hurst shifters.
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  2. saltflats
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    saltflats
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    from Missouri

    It looks happy in there.
     
  3. FINKSTR
    Joined: Oct 8, 2006
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    FINKSTR
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    Looking good! I love the look of a good "W" motor.
     
  4. 4tford
    Joined: Aug 27, 2005
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    Nice 40, good combination 348/5spd.
     
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  5. Always liked those engines.
     
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  6. What a great combination you guys have created. Keep updating us.
     
  7. Don's Hot Rods
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    Don's Hot Rods
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    from florida

    Yep, people are going to love what they see when you open the hood. Looks great in there.

    Don
     
  8. 40fordtudor
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    I could have done this back in '06 or '08---stayed with the SBF.
     
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  9. I like the rear end set-up........................and love the W block.
     
  10. neilswheels
    Joined: Aug 26, 2006
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    neilswheels
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    from England

    A little update, on my last visit to Marco's, we decided that rather then waste time and money finishing off the crossmember I'd pancaked only to take it out to fit a model A spring for the Quickchange in it's future, we'd get the right crossmember done now.
    So I popped down to Marco's yesterday, the rear crossmember's been modified for the A spring using a combination of A and 40 crossmembers, and some clever fab work. Finished item looks like a stock ford piece, which is exactly what I wanted.

    Marco's also started on the motormount. Nothing flash, just a nice clean mount, a little trimming to be done, but it's looking good.

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  11. neilswheels
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    neilswheels
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    from England

    Its been a while since I updated, mainly because Marco couldn't send update pics, and I couldn't get down to see him. But that just means there's more to show, so here goes:

    Last update left with the engine mount, heres the finished item from the back
    After Marco made this, i was looking around for T5 stuff, and found threads about the tailshaft or bellhousing cracking when a front mount and tail mount are used, and that an intermediate/bellhousing mount is a good idea, so a little chat with Marco,and he knocked these up:
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    The Tail shaft mount for the Trans was just ahead of the bottom of the stock chassis x member, so Marco dropped it and extended it to take the Trans mount. It now looks like a stock Ford part.
    https://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/attachments/dsc04969-jpg.3605569/
    We decided at the beginning that the TCI style front wishbone mount no longer worked with the way the car was going, so Marco made a new one, more in keeping with the 'stock' look that we were after. He used the original gearbox mount, cleaned it up, trimmed bits off, and added brackets for the wishbone tie rod ends. This will be mounted slightly further forwards than its original location, but it looks so right.
    https://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/attachments/frontwishmnt1-jpg.3605572/
    https://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/attachments/frontwishbnmnt3-jpg.3605571/
    https://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/attachments/dsc04968-jpg.3605570/

    Rearend now, because of the T5, we;re going open drive, so split wishbones and a torque bar.

    this is the front mount for the wishbones, designed to look look and fit like a stock Ford chassis part, it also doubles up as a drive shaft loop and fits in the chassis just behind the tail shaft.
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    Next is the torque bar. Marco spent alot of time thinking about design and function, and this is the result, I'm very happy.
    template for banjo mount
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    Torque bar:
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    torque bar front mount, which is welded to the wishbone
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    Front end, front shock mounts. used a stock ford top mount, shortened it a bit for so-cal shocks, and then the bottom mount uses a 38 (I think, its been a while since i bought them) perchbolt with a tapered shock pin that bolts into the perch bolt friction shock mount, the idea being to keep it stock looking, and I didn't like the shackle plate TCI type bottom shock mount that I originally bought.
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    last, here's the rear shock mounts and torque arm bolted in. Bottom shock mounts are the ends of the rear wishbones.
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    Next, exhaust and floor, and if there's any money left, a bit of plumbing :)
     

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  12. okiedokie
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    Marco does some nice work. Gonna be a great tudor.
     
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  13. neilswheels
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    neilswheels
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    from England

    Popped down today, so a few picks of the bits fitted..
    front wishbone mount
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    gearbox mount
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    rear wishbone mount
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    better pic of torque bar
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    intermediate trans mount
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    Front shock
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  14. Very nice fab work; simple, yet elegant..
     
  15. neilswheels
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    Time for a little update. While the engine cleared the firewall fine with stock valve covers (early 58 on the tight side, which is why it cleared) my finned alli ones didn't, so the firewall recieved a light massage...
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    We also decided to raise the front an inch, the tyres rub on the arch lip really bad, and I cant afford tyres right now. I wont be surprised that once the fluids are in and the cars back together, that it will settle an inch, but i'll cross that bridge when i come to it.
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    then time to put a floor back in. I had fabbed and tacked together new rear seat and kickup panels a long time ago, Marco finish welded them for me, trimmed and fitted them,
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    ..and then he made a new piece to go above the crossmember...
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    There's been some other stuff going on as well, like realising I had a miss match of clutch parts, and working out what i needed, then realising that making a clutch fork work with the 40 or 39 pedal assembly is going to be a pain. This isn't resolved yet, I could use an hydraulic release bearing, but for some reason I'm not keen on that, or its a slave cylinder on the clutch fork, which is looking like my favorite compromise, I just dont want to use the generic alli master/slave cylinder combos that you get of the shelf, i'd like something a bit 'older' looking. I've read that there's a Toyota slave you can use which is cast steel, but I cant find a master cylinder alternative at the moment, a bit more web trailing is needed.

    I think the 40 will be coming home soon, Marco's just about done all I asked, the rest is up to me....
     
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  16. The 39 guy
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    You guys are doing some really nice fab work on this sedan!
     
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  17. neilswheels
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    neilswheels
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    from England

    Marco's done, this is the last of the pics from him, a finished floor.

    Modified trans cover
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    Removable Gearstick cover
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    primered floor
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    You can see the relief in the floor next to the back of the tunnel for the torque bar in this pic.
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    So that's it! The 40's due back in about two weeks, time for me to extract some digits!
    Gotta thank Marco for excellent work, i'm very pleased and would thoroughly recommend him to anyone considering farming out some chassis or body work.
     
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  18. Nice work guys. The mid mount is an excellent addition.
     
  19. The 39 guy
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    The 39 guy
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    Very nice craftsmanship!
     
  20. 911 steve
    Joined: Nov 29, 2012
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    911 steve
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    nice car, I fell in love with a 40 Ford 2dr sedan in 1968 when I was 16. found one with a 348, in primer, no interior for $400. I had $200 & my dad wouldn't front the rest so I had to pass. 3 yrs later I bought a 40 tudor and started to work on it. joined the local rod club & saw the car I wanted to buy 3 years earlier. been turned into the nicest 40 in the area. sold mine, got out of rodding & heard later that the 1st 40 had been sold & the owner died. Never forgot that 1st 40 so in 2008 I bought another 40 tudor that I am just about done with. September 2012 I saw his widow at a show & told her the story. asked if she had any old pics of it. about passed out when she told me her son had tracked the 40 down in Colorado & bought it back. it was in a storage unit 20 miles from home. met her there the next day & took a bunch of pics, brought back a lot of memories.
     
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  21. neilswheels
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    neilswheels
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    from England

    Does it still have the 348 in it Steve? Would like to see some pics :)
     
  22. Neil, glad to see the progress on the 40. The 348 looks right at home. You are going to have a nice ride.
     
  23. 409ina49
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    Awesome fab work!!! Looks great. Keep posting pics.


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  24. Very nice job! If you gotta use a chevy at least it's an interesting one. Great fab work!
     
  25. 911 steve
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    no, but her son has a 348 to put back in it. car is here but the son lives out of state. its ROUGH, probably hasn't run in 20 years, but still has a lot of the 70's touches. wht pearl interior, chrome rear end housing, hand painted flames like wide pinstripes. I told her if he ever wants to sell it, I'd appreciate the 1st chance but I would probably have to sell my 40 first. my wife was there, who never swears, her response: "ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR FUCKING MIND, YOU WOULD SELL OUR FINISHED CAR TO BUY THIS??" yes, you never forget your 1st love. I have trouble loading pics, they are always too big & I don't know how to resize. I can e-mail them to someone that knows to resize & post for me.
     
  26. neilswheels
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    neilswheels
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    Well, I've done a lot of thinking and not much making. I decided i wanted a generator looking alternator, and found that there's a reasonably priced Lucas style one being made, so i went for that. However, coming to fit it and there isn't a lot of room under the hood, no room down low due to the front motor mount, no room on the sides 'cos the engine is just too wide, so it has to go on top. I wasn't keen at first, and looked at putting it on top of the inlet manifold next to the rocker cover, but this didn't work on either side, fuel lines and linkages meant it was a no go, so that only left on top of the rocker. I wasn't keen at first, but looking at a load of old pics, that's what they did' back in the day', just that most of the pics of engines in magazines were taken from the other side..
    Anyway, after a bit of faffing with bits ok 20x8 bar and a tube with some nuts welded in the ends, I found a good location that would allow belt adjustment, but not hit the inside of the hood. Then i made some card templates, transferred to 6mm plate, and tacked it all together. seems to work o.k. I will have a slotted bar bolted to the bottom left mount that will attach to the Alternator for belt adjustment

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    Of course this one step forwards now means I cant run a hose to that side of the rad as the belt will be going through it, so another little thing to work out.
    Anyone know if its ok to have the in and out on a rad on the same side?

    I've also been looking at the clutch, and thanks to a fella on Rods and Sods, I came across this neat kit
    http://www.novak-adapt.com/catalog/clutch/kit_hcrc.htm
    Of course it wont work for me as I have the gearbox mid mount where this bracket needs to go!
    I contacted the company making the kit and asked what slave they used, as it obviously worked with the clutch, and they were very helpful, told me the part number.
    I ordered this and have made the mount, but while trying to work out heights with it in the car, I messed up by 5mm, and am now making another! I was hoping that this would miss the brake pedal, but it wont, so i'll need to modify that as well. When I get the new mount made, i'll post some pics, but dont hold your breath...
     
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  27. Kan Kustom
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    VERY NICE ! glad to see this back up again. I am putting a three deuce 348 in my 40 also.
     
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