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Discussion in 'Traditional Hot Rods' started by 33Doll, Mar 20, 2020.

  1. RodStRace
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    Can't help you on the washer/anchor pin question, but the adjuster 'teeth' need to be accessed thru the window in the backing plate, which is offset in your picture.
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  2. dumprat
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    from b.c.

    So buy it! You got 4 mil lying around?
     
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  3. 33Doll
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    Frame is done being cleaned!
    Weld a few holes, and more cage nuts.
    Then Im painting the bastard!

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  4. 33Doll
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    Front brakes all done, and painted!
    Short shoe to the front... Wheel cylinder ports to the back!

    Moving on to the Tiny Mustang rears!
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  5. Stogy
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    33...I'm looking at the end of the spring to the fixed post wondering if that free end that is sticking up too high should be bent/crimped in tighter?...now is the time to remedy IF it is deemed an issue...the camera angle may be making it look worse than it is...I'll learn something about springs myself here I'm sure...
     
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  6. Stogy
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    So those that know brakes, these Fronts above are manual adjust...I believe...question does that spring stretched along top of the star act as a adjustment lock as well...I'm curious...
     
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  7. As @Stogy states; using a big pair of pliers squeeze the loops close to parallel.
     
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  8. 33Doll
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    Yeah I noticed that too, no big deal I’ll fix it later, could also nip it off with a die grinder real quick.

    laid everything out for the rear brakes next I’ve done enough for today!

    Thanks
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  9. 33Doll
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    Fixed! Thanks
    They’re really long!
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  10. Stogy
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    The more tang the more holding on...I'm glad they're bendable without issue...Good to know...I am getting the courage to pull off my front drums and have a peek...my issue is my backing plate is a Wilson (I think) finned with no adjustment hole...that is not helpful...
     
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  11. Those Wilson finned plates are self-adjusting; always wondered if it would be hassle to pull a drum if it had a wear lip and no way to back them off.
     
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  12. Stogy
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    I have actually never attempted it myself but the mechanic mentioned a lip that impeded his getting it right...he made it better but not correct in my opinion...that may not be his fault from what you are saying...perhaps a design limitation or hurdle.
     
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  13. Stogy
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  14. 33Doll
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    If you get the drum off, you can make your own access hole?


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  15. 33Doll
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    I did on my 53-56 f-100 backing plates
    When I put 66 self adjusters. For right and left, instead of to rights, I drilled 2 3/8ths holes, and straight cut between them to match the existing ones.


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  16. Stogy
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    I don't want to hijack your thread with a non related part to your build but Rich said they were self adjusting or supposed to be...I didn't touch them for 3 years and the pedal was dropping late last year to the same level as the gas pedal and when you step on both it gets a little...I actually shimmed the pedal with 3/4" of washers and a longer bolt but I still want to get it right...

    Your right if the drum is off I can eyeball and drill right in line with the star...

    I am 3rd owner so the Instructions for these are long gone...

    They do stop very well for drums...
     
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  17. Stogy
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    Man, theres a heck of a lot more going on with those back brakes...whole new ball game...
     
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  18. 33Doll
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    Easy-peezy done it a hundred times!
    The confusing part is when the parts are on a pile, that’s why I lay everything out! Like a model kit!


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  19. 33Doll
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    This picture helps alot also
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  20. Stogy
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    Thanks 33, I will remember this for reference...Good times...Good info...these Wilson B-Plates are aluminum and are mates for the Drums...the Henry B-Plates you're running are lookers in my books too and being full fendered is it visually obscured...maybe theres a width advantage...but it seems has it has a custom brake adjust built in somehow...but if its causing ridging to the shoe something is off
     
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  21. 33Doll
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    Here you go stogy looks like they still are around

    http://www.wilsonweldingandmachine.com/



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  22. Stogy
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    Thanks @33Doll, are you running Lincoln Front Brakes?
     
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  23. @Stogy

    Bob rules. Call him. 214-662-9483. Bought his Lincolns loaded about a year back. All part numbers in the box, but he knows them from memory. Sure he knows your stuff, also.

    I like his '29 .. but that blue '32 he has in his garage needs to get going .. too. Great guy, great visit. Thoroughly recommend his business.
     
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  24. Stogy
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    Thanks Kid...;)
    Jerry did this car in 2010...they stopped great for years and still do but now is time to get to the inner workings...the site mentions Lincoln regarding the finned backing plates...so many vehicles mixed up in one Brake setup...but I've always read Lincoln brakes were a good system...Yes I should give him a call...
     
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  25. 33Doll
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    Yes, the boling brothers lincoln kit, and speedway buick drums IMG_1236.JPG IMG_1101.JPG


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  26. Stogy
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    :rolleyes:...You'll like those 33 and I bet the metal plates are lighter...hence faster...;)
     
  27. Joel W
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    Good looking brakes. I always enjoy seeing your progress.

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  28. 33Doll
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    Just finished the 8” Mustang Rear brakes but should work for 9” too!
    A few pointers for those who might be intimidated with the rear brakes, because of lots of little parts.

    Like I said before, if you lay it out right and left, if you have the self adjusters, like a little map it makes it a lot easier.
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    So I started with the long shoe,
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    and put the emergency brake arm on there first. That way you have a starting point so you don’t get all mixed up!
    just remember that the hole for the cable is on the opposite side.
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    8 inch, and 9” rearend, I believe, are the same. the brake line runs across the top back of rearend, so the wheel cylinder ports face the rear!
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    For some reason I couldn’t use the shoe pin alignment washer, even shaved paper thin! Not enough meat where the springs go!
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    It will be fine, it can’t go anywhere once the drums are anyway.
    Pointers:
    - attached wheel cylinders
    -Put shoe retainer springs on first, so the shoes, don’t go flying when you attach the top springs.
    -pins, e-brake cross bar
    -cable eye
    -put top springs on next
    -attached lower spring, to adjuster arm, cable around the 90’ and hooked on the cable hook...then pulled the little assembly down to the hole, it locked in...alot easier! If that makes sense?
    Then trying the hook pliers!
    It’s hard to explain it all, but tried different ways of attaching things, and this way worked the easiest!
    Thanks!
    All built and safe on the wall, from getting jacked up until I build the chassis!
    .....on to welding holes in the frame!
    Ten Paint!!!!!
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  29. Stogy
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    Thanks @33Doll sometimes a like is not enough this will be helpful to me and surely others in the future...I should also thank @RICH B, @RodStRace and any others chiming in with advice...;)

    So the retaining pin was short on both plates? That's weird...That's my luck many times I'll reach into a box of nuts and grab the one with no threads...:D
     
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  30. 33Doll
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    No problem stogy
    I believe in the pay it forward thing.
    Somebody teaches you something you pass it on whether people already know how to do it or not, there’s always somebody that it could help!
    I used to do YouTube videos all the time when I was working on my cars, but the editing and stopping to film everything took forever!
    It was taking time away from other stuff, that’s the only drawback if you work a full-time job!
    And I love this forum, specially nowadays when nobody seems to have time to actually get together in each others garages is like the old days! At least this way it’s instant, and it’s worldwide!
    I look at it this way everybody has something to teach to somebody else I think that’s how we’ve evolved all these years!


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