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  1. slammed
    Joined: Jun 10, 2004
    Posts: 8,151

    slammed
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    What does a temp gauge read? Hot at slow speed/idle or down the road, up to speed?
     
  2. 59Apachegail
    Joined: Apr 30, 2011
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    59Apachegail
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line-height:115%; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; mso-ascii-font-family:Calibri; mso-ascii-theme-font:minor-latin; mso-hansi-font-family:Calibri; mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-latin; mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-bidi-theme-font:minor-bidi;} </style> <![endif]--> Thanks Guys,

    Iron
    I went through the exhaust a while back when I replaced the donuts. I don’t think it is exhaust related.

    Clever
    Heat shield on the lines, but I think I will re-locate the filter just to be safe.

    Tork
    I already flushed the system but it could have been done better. I drained the system ran with water till it was hot then I drained and refilled with fresh antifreeze. Not sure if the core is good was going to get it tested and boiled. I just wanted to make sure it was the right size if it isn’t I’ll just replace with a new Desert cooler. Seems like new or re-coring is the same price. The whole thing seems stock, like they pulled the engine out whole and dropped it in. One note not sure if this makes a difference either way but there is a stock fan shroud and the fan fits in perfectly.
    Slammed
    I don’t have a numeric gauge I have the old c/h but it is a touch past the center toward H. The temp sensor is new and the wire to the gauge is new.

    Is anyone running an apache with a V8 and have a 20” wide radiator?
     
  3. n847
    Joined: Apr 22, 2010
    Posts: 2,706

    n847
    Member

    I would deffinetly get a numeric gauge, or an infrared thermometer and find out exactly how hot the engine is running. My radiator in my Plymouth is very very hot to the touch even when its only at 180 degrees. If you drive the truck does it over heat or just when its sitting still. If it over heats while its running its usually a coolant flow problem. If it only gets hot when you slow down or sit still its an air flow problem (ie.not enough fan, something blocking the rad core, etc.)
     
  4. we always used clean gravel to clean out gas tanks, cheap and works well! takes awhile and your arms get tired. later we discovered just sliding it back and forth on a sheet of plywood worked as well.
     
  5. JohnEvans
    Joined: Apr 13, 2008
    Posts: 4,883

    JohnEvans
    Member
    from Phoenix AZ

    VERY HOT to touch ,gee that would be less than 130* or so. Get one of those temp guns and see what you REALLY have.
     
  6. Hot to touch ....
    Most adults will suffer third-degree burns if exposed to 150 degree water for two seconds. Burns will also occur with a six-second exposure to 140 degree water or with a thirty second exposure to 130 degree water. Even if the temperature is 120 degrees, a five minute exposure could result in third-degree burns.

    You should be running at 180 plus
     
  7. 59Apachegail
    Joined: Apr 30, 2011
    Posts: 1,381

    59Apachegail
    Member
    from New York

    Thanks all,
    I'll pick up a numeric temp gauge.
    N847 I think you nailed it, she gets real hot while idling.
    Look like I need a flush and boil.
    I ll report back on the progress.
     
  8. I've converted more than a few old Chevy trucks from a 6 to an 8. The existing radiator should be able to handle it, I don't recall ever having to change anything more than the t-stat water neck housing.

    With it running, look into the radiator to see how the flow is doing. Compare the top and bottom hoses to see if they are about the same temperature. If you can get one of those HVAC thermometers, drop that in the radiator to get a close idea of what the water temp actually is.

    Bob
     
  9. Flushed a 307 block & cooling system every which way I could before I pulled it. Took a while but the water ran clean. It sat in the corner for a year before I tore it apart for a rebuild.
    After honing the block it was getting washed down and bottle brushed all of the holes. With the freeze plugs out there was so much rust dust/silt in there it took hours to get it all. There were loose chunks in there the size of golf balls and everything smaller. It completely died 1000 square feet of blacktop parking lot orang. And that's with the hose running for Two hours, I was amazed at all the crap in there. The brushes broke it loose from the block.

    However, it ran fine and didn't overheat. Any one of those chunks could have got lodged in a coolant passage
     
  10. 59Apachegail
    Joined: Apr 30, 2011
    Posts: 1,381

    59Apachegail
    Member
    from New York

    Hello All,
    Thanks for all the info!
    I think this one is licked, the radiator needs to be boiled and the carb rebuilt. I borrowed one of those heat lights and there are a bunch or hot spots in the radiator. When I have the radiator out for a boil I am going to flush that block good. The carb is pretty filthy so I got another exact duplicate that I cleaned and rebuilt.

    I bent a new fuel line that runs from the pump against the block and up over the intake to the filter will sit above the intake instead of above the pump. Before I made a line that had very few turn so it was pretty much in the middle of all the heat. Just as a precaution I got fuel line insulation, insulation tape and a phenolic spacer for the carb.

    Thanks again all!!

    I will re-cap for all the other noobs like me.
     
  11. 59Apachegail
    Joined: Apr 30, 2011
    Posts: 1,381

    59Apachegail
    Member
    from New York

    For all the noobs who are just like me learning. I had fuel starvation and vapor locking here are the clif notes:

    1) Fuel line was clogged all the way to the carb
    A) Completely removed the whole line blew it out
    B) Added a fuel sock to the sender unit in the tank to avoid picking up more junk
    C) Replaced a 5 inch length of rubber fuel line coming out from under the cab
    D) New fuel pump and *changed oil in case any fuel was leaking into the block
    E) Added an inline glass bowl fuel filter
    F) Cleaned up the fuel inlet on the carb and cleaned the bronze filter inside
    G) Will be installing a newly rebuilt carb.
    H) In the winter I will clean and coat the tank

    2) Heat issues and vapor locking
    A) I started by running with a loose gas cap
    B) I did a quick flush and anti freeze replacement
    C) Replaced the thermostat to a 160 from a 180 (Helped a lot)
    D) My new fuel line was close to the exhaust manifold so I bent a "new" new one
    that hugs the block/intake and the glass fuel filter bowl will be far from the exhaust
    E) I am getting the radiator boiled
    F) I got a 1100 degree fuel line sleeve and tape to keep the line cool (thermaflect)
    G) I got a phenolic spacer for the carb to keep fuel from boiling there
    H) Still have to figure out a way to keep the filter cool

    Thanks again all!
    I will post once more when the carb is replaced and the rad boiled.
     
    Last edited: Aug 2, 2012

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