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Hot Rods 26/27 T roadster cowl doors etc. differences etc. discussion or questions.

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  1. The37Kid
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    How many pages would you fill with the differences between 1932 and 1952 Ford Flatheads?:confused::confused::confused::confused::confused:
    Bob
     
  2. The37Kid
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    Paul, could you take a photo of your windshield post? I think you may have the early style. Bob
     
  3. LOL I have actually looked at some of the differences in the early (30s era) flatheads. Tons of differences and parts interchange. If you go into the '40s just the differences in compression ratios and ignition would make you giggle. :D
     
  4. Paul
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  5. Mr48chev
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    More details that 90% of us here wouldn't need but still a lot of info.
    https://www.mtfca.com/encyclo/1926-27H.htm

    I've got what's left of the front half of a 26/27 touring out in the round to it someday section of the yard That we got from a buddy years ago. It's pretty well hacked by someone who decided that you just took a cutting torch to it to get it fit on what you wanted it to fit on.
    I've got a pair of doors that I picked up at a swap meet but without going out and getting in the shed I couldn't tell you if what latch or size holes they have.
    This has been one of those snag a part when I see a part for a good price things. but now I am going to have to do some research it looks like.
     
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  6. GearheadsQCE
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    No wonder so many guys buy a fiberglass body!
     
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  7. Atwater Mike
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    I've got some '26 and '27s...New points come up from time to time, re: hinges, latch patterns, sills, firewalls, and doors. W/S posts are a surprise, never knew there were 2 different ones... (mine must all be '27)
     
  8. alchemy
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    My mongrel T project has the cowl from a '26 cause it has the bump in the door jamb, and the doors are unknown because I cut the inner panel out between the holes so I could weld and finish the bullet holes. But I think it had no-rib sidecurtain holes up top, before I filled them. I can't remember what the latches look like, but we seem to have some confusion in this thread on what year is what for those. The sill panels must be '27 because they are one-piece. And now you guys say there are two different kinds of windshield posts? If anybody shows what the differences are, I'll probably discover I have one of each.
     
  9. The37Kid
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    The post differs on the bottom mounting area. I'm on an internet search for photos. Bob
     
  10. Bill Nabors
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    I had 6 roadster bodies at one time. I always heard the tails under the turtle deck were different for 26 and 27. The 26 went straight back and was long. The 27 was short and had a bead at the end. The only patch panels I could get were 26 and if you had a 27, you shorten and add bead.
     
  11. The37Kid
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    I remember seeing a difference in the turtle deck floors too.

    Bob
     
  12. rusty valley
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    another, i believe not mentioned here. 26, 27 door hinges are different. i bought a nice 26 door for my bent up roadster, ya, i knew the inner panels had smaller holes, ya, i wish they matched, but it was a nice door, and cheap, so i bought it. got home and went to fit it in the opening to see how it fit, and no way, the hinges are different. note in the photo, the rusty door is a 27, and the center hinge loop is wider that the outer two. the black door is a 26, all three loops are the same size. any one want to trade? IMG_0775.JPG
     
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  13. scotts52
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    I find it extremely intriguing that Henry, who hated change, made numerous changes through production that had very little impact on the finished product. Seems like a waste to spend money on changing out so many stamping molds.
     
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  14. The37Kid
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    This in a new one to me. Ever see one with the three scallops up top? It is in the classified section now. Bob 7B6AAA62-2216-4839-A76B-8FAA0A307DA9.jpeg
     
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  15. quickchangeV8
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    One thing that hasn't been mentioned so far on this thread is the 1926/27 big brass tail lights. These tail lights I am told were an accessory item. I have a pair of these and plan to mount them on my 1927 roadster. These tail lights are much bigger than the standard ones as they measure 4 inches across, the tail light body is made of brass and were made by Hall Mfg. Co. out of Detroit Michigan. The Ford script is embossed on the top of them as well.
    I'm wondering if these tail lights were available in 1926 or were they just available in 1927? The 1928 Model A tail lights look similar but these Hall Mfg. tail lights for Model T's are much larger.
     
  16. The37Kid
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    The Accessory Stop lights are really nice to have, never seen one with a brass body, only brass lens doors that were nickel plated. Dodge Brothers and Hupmobile used then too, with their names on top. Bob
     
  17. Blake 27
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    RPU differences, Ray Zarick's 26, 6177.jpg DSC06176.JPG (only pic I could find), bed has the front stake pockets all the way forward and doesn't have a filler panel between the bed and body. Also the 26s don't have a headlight cross bar
     
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  18. Blake 27
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    I found another pic of a 26 bed, although a filler panel was added. 27-t-roadster-pickup-4.JPG
     
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  20. Kevin Pharis
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    The trunk floors in the roadsters were definitely different... although many have been replaced with plywood by now! The ‘26/7 floors are usually horribly rotten as the trunk lid drip rails drain into an embossed area in the floor pan with a small hole to drain under the car, and the sub rail corner brace covers the hole and is easily clogged! Model A’s did a much better job draining.

    The ‘26 floor pan is currently available, and is sold as ‘26/7. This floor pan is attached to the sub rails and is a flat beaded panel with the hump over the rear crossmember.

    The ‘27 floor pan is attached to the trunk itself, rolls up in the front to meet the seat back panel, and does not use the crossmember hump. This panel is not available.

    There are also a few minor differences in how the upholstery is attached. ‘26 used interior wood blocks around the door latch pillar. While ‘27 had no wood blocks, and instead used a delicate sheet metal retaining edge.

    I have better pics of my ‘ol ‘27 somewhere...
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  21. rusty valley
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    nice rig Kevin !, even got fancy buffalo wheels
     
  22. The37Kid
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    The photo I took back in the 1970's are buried in a box some where. I do remember taking photos of the early details on the touring cut down into a pickup. early small script running boards vs Large script on later ones.

    Bob
     
  23. Kevin Pharis
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    Yeah... that car is the reason I started building new Buffalo’s. Got tired of scrounging thru everyone else’s junk pile looking for usable pieces!

    Caution... shameless plug;
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    The car is now with another owner... but the wheels are still with me;)
     
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  24. GuyW
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    Can you provide Buffalos like these?

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  25. The37Kid
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    Thanks for the Buffalo wire wheel info! Bob
     
  26. Glenn Thoreson
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    I have what is supposed to be a '26 roadster pickup. It doesn't have a title yet so maybe I'd best do some research to see if I can find out what year it really is. One feature on the '27 cars was the wire wheels which came out as standard in '27. Wood spoke wheels were optional. Mine has wood spoke wheels. I can't find a serial number on this thing. Ford didn't start using them until somewhere around late(?) '26. Always used just the motor number prior. That doesn't do me any good since the motor in mine is a '24. In '26 - '27 Ford was in dire straits as these cars were not selling. By then Ford was likely using mixed parts in stock in order to stay afloat. People wanted more and Chevrolet and Dodge, etc were giving it to them in low priced cars. If not for son Edsel we may not have Fords.
     
  27. rusty valley
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    serial number should be on the pass. side rail, about where your feet set while sitting in the seat. flat area, not toe board
     
  28. Kevin Pharis
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    Hard to tell what those wheels are... but I’m not entirely convinced they are Buffalo. Could be A-5 Buffalo’s or maybe #25 Dayton’s...? The large wheel center leads me to believe they are either pin or dentil drive. There have been a number of bolt on wheels that were converted to knock off as well with special made hubs.

    Anything can be made... but I only make the B-3 series Buffalo wheels and hubs specific to a T chassis. I have made a number of hub and rim variations, but all with the #3 wheel centers that I make, or other brand originals.

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  29. rusty valley
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    those look like phelps, you make them too?
     
  30. Kevin Pharis
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    Good eye! Small center Phelps rear hubs for a model T. The original design casting is hollow around the rear axle taper, and so the keyway corners crack into the hollow cavity and causes the tapers to break apart. These hubs would seat onto the axle tapers about 1/2” too deep.

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