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226 in A frame?

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by PCD2GTHR, Aug 5, 2012.

  1. PCD2GTHR
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    New to the forum, see introduction http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=722936 , and while not new to playing with cars, I am new to the rod building thing. You guys have provided me with much information and inpsiration before I even joined.

    My question...does anybody have/know anybody that has/or have pictures of a 226 Flathead ('49 with toploader) in a Model A frame? I'm thinking of using it as a temporary mill until I get my 8ba going. The plan now is to make my own motor mounts and hopefully use a cross member out of an F1 and trim it down to use the pedals. (Trying to get cross member and pedals from the guy I bought the motor/trans from as he is doing a 302/T5 swap.)

    Also, I have a '49 Shoebox I'll be using parts from. Would that rearend be a good candidate to go behind the 226?

    I would love to find out some more info/tips, especially pictures. Any info would be appreciated. Thanks!
     
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  2. PCD2GTHR
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  3. ArtGeco
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    from Miami

    Sorry can't help but are you from the Outer Banks?
     
  4. Dale Fairfax
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    You want to install an engine that is significantly longer than the V-8 as a "temporary" until the V-8 is done? To me that doesn't sound too logical. First of all, I don't believe the 226 will even fit into the "A" without some major mods to either the body or the frame (I'm thinking frame/wheelbase extension). If you go to that much trouble, why not make the 226 the permanent engine and have something unique? The V-8 will go in the space that the original 4 cyl came out of without much trouble-it's done all the time..
     
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  5. Ted H
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    There is a HAMB member from the Spokane, Wa area who has a Model A roadster with a 226 in it.

    I can't remember his HAMB name but you can probably get his contact info from HAMBer Chris.
     
  6. flatout51
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    I had an issue of Magneto years ago where someone had a 226 in a 30-31 coupe... It had 2 carbs and the second one was completely in the firewall... If i can find the mag ill post some pics later.
     
  7. flatout51
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    And the rearend would be way too narrow
     
  8. PCD2GTHR
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    Close. Gates County, not far from Elizabeth City if that helps you out.

    Well, looking at the way the 226 mounts are offset, I didn't know if it would place the tranny at the same(ish) place. The way that thing looks is growing on me.

    I'm aware of how easily the 8 will work. I don't think the 226 would be TOO much work. Only difference would be length I would think?

    I'm sure somebody has done this, I'm just looking for some pics mainly to see how involved they got to make it work.
     
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  9. "truck cabbed rat rod." the magic words to get you flamed off this site.
     
  10. David Chandler
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    Heaven forbid the use ot the RR word.
    I'm mocking mine up for a chevy 250, and both the firewall and the placement of the cowl will need to be addressed. But with a modified body, I don't have to worry about the thing hanging far beyond the rear of the frame, just to make it fit.
    But I think the 226 is a nice choice. My neighbor has one in a Hudson coupe.
    Good Luck.
     
  11. RayMiller
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    Yea saying rr you think you shit in someone's post toasties lol. They get over it tho and good luck on your build dude!
     
  12. PCD2GTHR
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    Aiyeeeee.....gotcha.

    Plan right now is to use a truck cab anyway...so it probably wouldn't be too bad. I like a small cab for some reason so we'll see what happens.

    Thanks! I really love the two door sedan body but I don't have the spare coin for a body I like right now so I think I'm going to use what's available to me as far as drivetrain and body go.
     
  13. Bruce Lancaster
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    A Model A with Ford flathead 6 is the cover car on one of the HRM annuals, I think about 1954.
    That being said...a v8 FH can fit into an A with early parts setup. A six is substantially longer and will require either stretched wheelbase or body setback or a firewall setback that will require leg amputation.
    For a quick idea go look at a '46-48 Ford and note the two sets of holes for radiator yoke...probably someone here can post pics and a number.
     
  14. there is a 226 powered model a in new england. I do not know who owns it now but it was charlie chandlers, I have seen it on here but cant find a picture. cool car, howard towne built>
     
  15. PCD2GTHR
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    Thanks for all the info guys. I haven't even got the frame off my trailer to start stripping it yet; I was just curious as to how much of a hassle it would be. I'll have the 8ba out of my '49 this weekend hopefully; it will most likely have to be rebuilt. Meanwhile, I found an early flattie that supposedly runs well for a pretty good price, so I may try to pick it up.

    Looked at the bellhousings on the 8 vs the 6 when I got the body off the '49 yesterday, I'm not 100% sure that toploader will bolt up like I hoped...
     
  16. Bruce Lancaster
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    Ford 6 trans is different casting but innards and rear mount are same as 8...I assume '4-48 stuff here. Trans will of course be several inches back from where a V8 would put it. Remember also early ('48 and back) V8 fits an A much better than an 8BA because front setup on 8BA is longer to clear distributor. 8BA really should get early cam and pumps as a minimum adaptation to fit an early chassis well...engine length is pretty critical in an A that is not radically rearranged.
     
  17. PCD2GTHR
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    Well dang. Think I'll scoop that engine up then. So the '49 6 cyl trans won't work behind an 8?

    Good news is...the 8ba was free and I didn't pay much at all for the 226 and trans...
     
  18. Crankhole
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    Can you post a pic of the flat 6 toploader trans? Don't think I've ever seen one.
     
  19. Bruce Lancaster
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    Different generations cranking here...what year and model? I think pickup '49 6 adapted to regular early style trans, passenger all is different from early Ford. "48 and back six got same gears, different case...I assume there was a toploader for the early setup 6 since it was available in '41-up pickups.
     
  20. Crankhole
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    I've got a post-'49 6 that I'd like to mate up to a toploader, if there is such a thing.
     
  21. PCD2GTHR
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    Well...let me rephrase. Not a top loader just a floor shift instead of column shift. I got in the habit of calling it a top loader but I know people reading this are confused and think I'm an idiot...
     
  22. PCD2GTHR
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    Sweet! Seen enough to put into perspective just how long that thing is once you put it in a frame...I couldn't drive the thing with my long legs. Killer car though!

    By the way...lovin that shoebox in your avatar. Sits just right!
     

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