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1955 White 3000 COE Hauler build

Discussion in 'The Antiquated' started by Jamister1, Dec 7, 2019.

  1. Jamister1
    Joined: Dec 7, 2019
    Posts: 30


    4th gen car guy here, been aware of the HAMB for years but never subscribed. I like to document my builds and wanted a platform for this one as its gonna be crazy.
    My great grandpa was a former VP at White back in the 1920's. My dad and I have always had an interest in them and the White 3000 in particular. Finally found one and pulled the trigger this summer. Shipped it from Tacoma Wa to southern Oregon. Here's where we are at so far.
    Bought the truck in June. It had a lot of good looking friends, good thing I'm not rich or I'd bring them all home. Took a month or so to ship it home.

    It's the perfect size for a hauler. 16' of frame behind the cab. It's a former concrete truck for the city of Orville Washington.


  2. Jamister1
    Joined: Dec 7, 2019
    Posts: 30


    My car trailer would have cried dragging it home. Hired a company and the guy picked it up with his 1 ton Dodge Cummins but it blew the radiator so he swapped to his Toyota Tundra for the rest of the trip. Cracks me up because I'm a Toyota guy.
    Got the cab tilted pretty quickly. It was mechanically complete except for the electric cab tilt mechanism. Used a winch and various ratchet straps. Sketchy but doable.
    My dad felt the need to hear it run so we put some plugs and wires in it along with a jerry can and electric fuel pump. Ran great but no brakes or clutch pedal.
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  3. Jamister1
    Joined: Dec 7, 2019
    Posts: 30


    These things have interesting clutch and brake master cylinders. Half ass tried to get them functional but also didn't really care about it too much. They are accessed through this little crank out door.

    First things first, get cab tilt functional without the ratchet straps. I like stupid simple mechanical thing. Bought a hydraulic cylinder and manual 2 way jack off of ebay. A little welding and some big beefy bolts later and we have full tilt.
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  4. Nice start, sounds like you are planning on keeping the stock frame. What's on the plan for engine and trans, or suspension?

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  5. Jamister1
    Joined: Dec 7, 2019
    Posts: 30


    I intend to drive the piss outta this thing up and down the west coast. That means totally modern drivetrain... found a 99 f550 4wd for a donor for $500. Not what you think... not doing a chassis swap.

    Removed the important parts. Did I mention I'm a 4wd kinda guy? I live in the heart of the Cascades, barn finds and vehicle purchases often involve mud, dirt, snow and lots of fun!

    The cool thing about the f550 is all of the mounts for the axles unbolt... another cool thing is that the rear frame width is IDENTICAL to the White frame. Who da thunk?
    By swapping to these axles we gain: 19.5" medium duty tires and rims, 4 wheel disc brakes, freeway gears, reasonable leaf spring pack, limited slip, 4wd obviously and easily replaced parts.

    Out with the old in with the new.

    Did I mention it was the EXACT SAME WIDTH! Used one of the old hanger bolt holes for each side for the front mount so no measuring or guessing involved.
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  6. Jamister1
    Joined: Dec 7, 2019
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    Decided to yank the old flathead 6 before tackling the front axle. Cool old engine but 125 hp and no overdrive ain't gonna cut it. Pulled the trans first so I didnt break my cherry picker in half.

    Then out with the old lump. Did I mention this thing weighs 2 crap tons! That's a lot of crap!
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  8. 49ratfink
    Joined: Feb 8, 2004
    Posts: 17,549

    from California

    this should be pretty cool.
  9. Jamister1
    Joined: Dec 7, 2019
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    Not sure why but I don't have any pictures of the front axle going under. It was SUPER sketchy. Used two high lift jacks and the chain hoist dangling from the ceiling. The mounts for the axle aren't completely done but the main components are done and intact enough to hold the weight of the truck. Gonna have to add a few add a leafs to the front. It's way too soft.

    One bummer is how inset the front tires are. Lost about 3" of height compared to the old 20" rims and tires. May need to get some custom rims with no offset. Unfortunately the early years of super duty are a super oddball 8 lug pattern. Bigger than a f350 and only used for 4 years or so. Probably need to get some bigger 19.5 tires too. These are a 225 I believe, would love to move up to a 265.
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  10. Jamister1
    Joined: Dec 7, 2019
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    And here's the donor engine, brand new auto trans and transfer case... 96 dodge p-pump cummins... or as we like to call them a Cummins shipping crate!
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  11. plym_46
    Joined: Sep 8, 2005
    Posts: 3,904

    from central NY

    The city my grandmother lived in used white 3000 for refuse trucks. Always liked the design of the cab. What are your plans for the rear? Ramp, roll back, pickup style, semi enclosed? There was a local dirt roundy round racer who built a ramp style hauler for his old coach modified using White Mustang about the same year as yours. Had a tire rack and a big tool parts compartment under the front end of the ramp. The late 30's body of the racer looked real good with the White cab. His was original drive train with an straight open stack exhaust.
  12. Great job on the axle and spring swaps. Having the donor is the way to go for both suspension and engine, transmission and transfer case. Lots of parts that can be used beyond the large pieces.

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  13. BamaMav
    Joined: Jun 19, 2011
    Posts: 3,839

    from Berry, AL

    This might fit in better over in antiquated than here on the main board. That is if it doesn't get zapped for the OT engine....
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  14. oldiron 440
    Joined: Dec 12, 2018
    Posts: 1,374

    oldiron 440

    It's not much different than using a Speedway front axle a 9" rear and a small block Chevy to power it.
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  15. gatz
    Joined: Jun 2, 2011
    Posts: 1,425


    That's gonna be a great hauler. Really like the looks of those old COEs.
    Good choice of engine/xmsn too.
    What's the plans for the cab? Leave the advert ?
  16. jaracer
    Joined: Oct 4, 2008
    Posts: 180


    Very interesting. A friend of mine in Portland had done quite a few heavy truck restorations/custom builds. Sloan's body shop and tavern, the perfect combination.
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  17. banjeaux bob
    Joined: Aug 31, 2008
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    banjeaux bob
    from alaska

    Good decision on swapping drivetrain . Easy to source parts and drive ability. i don't think many of those Whites really went out on the road. Most were for in town cartage. Me, I would have opted for the COE Diamond-T.
  18. Jamister1
    Joined: Dec 7, 2019
    Posts: 30


    I am undecided on the cab. I dont like shiny paint, I was thinking of maybe doing a semi gloss olive drab and then sand it out a little so the yellow shows through in spots.
    A rollback bed would be pretty cool but they are fairly complicated and expensive. I may just do a tilt bed and ramps at least for the first iteration. I'd like to be able to use it to haul stuff to the dump and scrap metal and landscape refuse as well. A simple dump mechanism would allow that as well as smooth out the ramp to truck transition for a low car. I'll probably have to do some sort of double 6' ramps with a center support. Not sure how well that will work out but I'd like to try it at least. I have a 12k warn winch that will sit at the front of the bed and be able to use it front or rear to pull up old cars or get me unstuck.
    I have a low 65 nova that I'll be taking to the dragstrip next year and I can't wait to see it on the back of this thing. My dad is building a 39 Chevy rat rod custom that will look great on there going to shows too.
  19. guffey
    Joined: Mar 23, 2008
    Posts: 829


    I would try some rubbing compound on the old paint before doing a fake patina job You might be surprised how that yellow comes out. I like helicopter cab Whites bigal 3 002 (3).jpg
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  20. goldmountain
    Joined: Jun 12, 2016
    Posts: 1,466


    Like your project and hope it doesn't get canned by the moderators. Scan-191208-0001.jpg
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  21. LilBlue82
    Joined: Dec 16, 2015
    Posts: 102


    Dude i loove the Hot wheels on the back wall. I fully intend on doing the same thing to my own shop
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  22. rusty valley
    Joined: Oct 25, 2014
    Posts: 1,016

    rusty valley

    34" width of frame rails is the industry standard for trucks, so that why the axles fit. cool truck you got there, i did a 47 diamond t with the 5.9 cummins years ago. i have made two roll back decks using just 4" channel iron sliding inside of 5" channel iron. no plastic sliders, no rollers, nothing but iron sliding on iron, worked fine, you wont wear it out in your lifetime
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  23. deathrowdave
    Joined: May 27, 2014
    Posts: 2,077

    from NKy

    This really brings back memories , when I started my job at the power company 40 years ago , they used these with a box behind the cab that would hold 4 of us . That was the pipeline gang . Me being a gear head , I caught the Boss off the job and wired in an ignition cut out switch in the box . It made real fun going down a long grade , probably exploded a half dozen mufflers in my time on that crew . The box only had 2 small side windows , and a buzzer in the cab if you needed a relief call . The rear of the truck had a utility box with a bumper mounted crane and a jib crane you attach that went over the cab and attached to the front bumper , kinda in an A frame looking affair to move large heavy tie in sections or lengths of pipe we welded together . Those were the days , manual labor at its best . The truck had engine powered , compressor and and welder . This took a weak mind and a strong back to work for years on this rig . This is probably why I’m so busted up today . I never smoked one cigarette of my own in my life , just 10 million second hand ones riding in the “ BOX “ . Kinda Cool Hand Luke , sounding isn’t it !
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  24. Jamister1
    Joined: Dec 7, 2019
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    Being new to the board I dont understand why it would get canned by the moderators? Isn't the definition of hot rodding putting newer bigger better parts on a rig? Or is it in the wrong section of the forum or what?
  25. rusty valley
    Joined: Oct 25, 2014
    Posts: 1,016

    rusty valley

    the main forum is in theory cut off at 1965. you really cant just cut it with a knife because of things made for many years, small block chevy is prime example, or updated brakes, so there is a grey area. your cummins motor and 550 axles are not in the grey area. that doesnt mean you will not find enthusiasm here from members with similar interest and/or experience, just not what the main forum is about, that is old hotrods. your thread is not canned, it got moved to the relatively new "antiquated" section which is kinda for old stuff in general. hope i put this all out correctly, i am no moderator, just an occasional poster. love your truck, who wouldnt?
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  26. Alaska Model A
    Joined: Nov 27, 2018
    Posts: 5

    Alaska Model A

    This is great stuff! I just picked up a 39 GMC COE and I’m planning on building a hauler out of it as well. Looking forward to following your build! Thanks for sharing

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  27. Jamister1
    Joined: Dec 7, 2019
    Posts: 30


    Glad to know it won't get deleted and just got relocated. I've never really fit in anyway! :)
    Love the story deathrowdave!
    Some interesting things we've found on this truck:
    Service doors on each side. One side has an adjustable flap to let air in/ out of the cab which seems really odd. It goes to a fake floor in the package tray. Anyone know why or is it really a cab vent?
    This service box is attached to the dash but its locked so we need to figure out how to open it. I'd consider leaving it on if we can get inside. Neat old artifact.

    Tons of leg room in this old girl. Its surprisingly roomy. I'm 6'1" and I have all kinds of room. Seats are in good shape.

    Ceiling mounted glove box is pretty cool too. This is in the middle above the uni-sun visor.
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  28. '52 F-3
    Joined: Sep 30, 2007
    Posts: 867

    '52 F-3

    really like your choice of axles and drivetrain... i'll be watching this one, thanks for posting pics
  29. BamaMav
    Joined: Jun 19, 2011
    Posts: 3,839

    from Berry, AL

    That round “Servis Recorder” is just that, a recorder. It took a round sheet of paper, and as the truck was driven, a pen made a graph line on the paper showing speed and time. Some were driven with a cable like a speedometer off of the engine governor, others were just a simple clock spring you had to wind up. The key lock was so once the boss put in a new paper graph in the morning, the driver couldn’t alter what was recorded. They would keep up with how long and how fast the truck was driven. Sort of like the electronic logs we have to run on trucks now, just a manual version.

    It might be worth a dollar or two to a restorer, especially if you can get it open without destroying it.
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  30. Jamister1
    Joined: Dec 7, 2019
    Posts: 30


    Donor truck died yesterday! Believe it or not the Cummins doesn't weigh nearly as much as the flathead 6 we took out of the white.

    Engine in foreground, trans and transfer case by the front wheel of the truck, warn 12k getting a rebuild for the flat deck sitting on a stand by the garage door.

    Pile of parts to reuse. Trans mounts, exhaust, brake master cylinder and booster, front and read driveshafts... this thing was a gold mine!

    And in the dumb redneck department
    .... I had to steer the donor dodge around the butt of the White while pulling it with my buddy's truck. All of a sudden it picked up a bunch of speed and took off down the driveway passing me by. It narrowly missed the bed of my buddy's truck, missed grandmas fence and crashed into the bushes while I ran after it. I went from "oh $hit!!!!" to laughing hysterically. Time to get the White back in the shop!
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