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Projects 1951 Ford F1 Built – A journey of 10,000 stupid questions

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by ScottPhotoCo, Apr 10, 2018.

  1. ScottPhotoCo
    Joined: Nov 8, 2016
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    ScottPhotoCo
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    from Pomona, CA

    Hello all. This is the beginning of a long journey for me, pretty much a rank newbie to the world of builds–hence the beginning of 10,000 stupid questions. If they're stupid to you, please just ignore them and move on because they're not stupid to me, well, because I have no idea. I have lived and worked in cities most of my life and only started getting into car culture in 2008 after I moved to Oregon to recover from too many years of 90 hour weeks in NYC.

    My friends in Oregon were kind enough to tolerate my early stupid questions and helped me get started by do minor things to the 52 5-window Chevy truck I had at the time. Well, I married and moved back to the city (Pomona, CA to be exact) sold the Chevy and am starting a much bigger build and I have a long way to go.

    What I have:
    I have a 1951 Ford F1, a C6 transmission backing up a rebuilt 429. I have 95% of the body parts and frame in pretty decent condition. The front end has a Chrysler torsion bar clip and the frame has been boxed. It appears to have a Ford 9" rear originally from a car.

    Where I am:
    I have been collecting parts for a while now and am ready to start getting this thing together. I have purchased an aftermarket ladder-bar rear suspension and coil-overs which are not yet installed. The motor is just sitting on the front frame rails as that's how I transported it from Oregon to CA. The cab and running boards are mounted to the frame but the rest of the sheet metal is not.

    What I'm planning on doing next:
    I'd like to get the body work roughly bolted together to make sure that I have everything I need and also so that I can make some measurements and order the tire/rim combo that I'm planning. Once I have all of that together, along with the wheels and tires I will (hopefully) get my friends down from Oregon (hint, hint) and we can work on the drivetrain and suspension.

    So, here I am at the very beginning and hoping that you all can help a newbie out as I stumble around learning as I go.

    Tim
     

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  2. spurgeonforge
    Joined: Oct 18, 2013
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  3. You made a good choice. Trucks are easy to build and fun to drive and own. I've had my F1 for 18 years and my advice is don't worry about how it looks until it drives well. Make it safe and reliable and then drive it while you learn what needs to be changed / adjusted. Mine has been on the road for 16 years and is still in the development stage. The only problem is once my 48 F1 was on the road I struggle to have it down for any significant updates. Have fun.....
     
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  4. Sounds like a good choice for the powertrain. What gears are in the rear end? What is the intended use, DD or occasional use?
     
  5. Candfury
    Joined: Dec 14, 2014
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    Only 10,000 stupid questions?
    are you sure you haven't done this before?
    Just kidding you a bit.
    truck looks like a great project, have fun
     
  6. Dino 64
    Joined: Jul 13, 2012
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    Dino 64
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    from Virginia

    Built a 51 and had it for 20 years. Miss that truck. IMHO put in a Mustang front suspension, rides great. Ask away, still got that build stuck in my head !


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  7. Hopefully you have the title/paperwork all legal and in your name? That is the first step.
    I ask because the hood trim is for a '52. not a '51. Is the frame VIN# there or now gone since it was clipped?
    Are you happy with the (assuming) Volare clip? Would not be my first choice......
     
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  8. Cool truck.. I was in our local F-100/F-1 truck club and several guys used the Volare or the Cordoba crossmembers. They're pretty cool and work nice if they're installed correctly. The big boys say to get the correct caster, the front of the crossmember needs to be notched up into the frame rail a few inches. Now, I've never used one [I subframed mine with a trans-am/Z-28 clip] but this is what was said of the mopar crossmembers.
    As a native Oregonian I can't imagine moving to sunny Cal [lived there 3 times] but what do I know? I moved to Omaha nebraska!
    Photo is of my Oregon fishin beater 49 ford pickup.....289/cruiso.
    49fordpu.jpg
     
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  9. Sounds like a good project, Enjoy!
     
  10. 52lomofo
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    52lomofo
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    from edmonton

    52
     
  11. ol-nobull
    Joined: Oct 16, 2013
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    ol-nobull
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    Hi. You are in the right place for 10,000 stupid question as nearly everyone here on this forum are well qualified from personal experience in STUPID. We can talk stupid frontwards, backwards, sideways and even upside down.
    go for it. Jimmie
     
  12. ScottPhotoCo
    Joined: Nov 8, 2016
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    ScottPhotoCo
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    from Pomona, CA

    Thanks everyone for the kind comments. So far to go...

    Ok, first question. Does anyone know if there is a build book for this truck? That certainly would help get me moving.

    Tim
     
  13. Dino 64
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    Dino 64
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    from Virginia

    Just restoration guides, nothing I know of for modified builds.
    That hood is from a 52, only difference is the nose ornament.
    Tear it down and see what you’re working with. They’re easy to take apart.
    Make sure the frame is straight, and square, if not get it fixed. Body shop have the equipment.
    Then clean up the frame and box it.
    Not a fan of the mopar ifs, really too wide for the truck.
    That should keep you busy
    Hope that helps, also, as someone has posted Ford Truck Enthusiasts site is a great resource, bunch of very knowledgeable and helpful people. Many HAMB’s are on it too.
    Good luck.
     
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  14. Sounds like you may have a good start. I have done so many Volare/Aspen units to Truck I actually made cut patterns to keep them fast moving. One of the biggest problems that can happen and is very common is not enough Caster installed with the K member. Most don't set the chassis at the ground profile they want and then locate the K member. It's a Package deal to get it right. I did my first F-100 using a 68 G.T.X. package in 1970. I'm also not a fan of ladder bars or 4 bars in the rear if you want to enjoy street driving it. Leaf springs are hands down a better choice for comfort. Now if your racing that's a bit different.
    I am currently bring back to life my 53 F-100 and Ford Trucks are a big favorite of mine and at 70 I have done many many of them including a few F-1's.
    Good Luck, The Wizzard
     
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  15. I really don't want to think about this, because history tells me it will more than likely be inappropriate for a street vehicle. Quiet possibly drag race parallel ladderbars.

    I hope I'm wrong.

    Also the parallel ladder bar thing gets thrashed out frequently, so no point churning that up again.
     
  16. studebaker46
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    the volare/diplomat etc frontend was really popular in late 70s 80s as wizard said castor is key. parts now might be hard to find. disc brakes work excellent but the power steering is really touchy, nothing you cant deal with good luck. main thing is make a plan then stick to it Tom
     
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  17. aerocolor
    Joined: Oct 7, 2009
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    from dayton

    I have two build threads here if you want some ideas.
    Mopar front and ladder bar rear isn't the approach we take.
    We've completed several builds on these trucks and our choices make for a very usable old truck. 20171103_112804.jpg 20180305_173525.jpg
     
  18. My ongoing, long term, never ending project.
    Volare front suspension, Chassis Engineering leaf spring kit with sway bar, 9" and "street rod motor / trans" combo, Walker radiator.
    No problems with front wheel clearance (15" x 5" wide Torque Thrusts) or parts availability for me.
    My only advice, keep it simple, I figure the top chop cost me 2 years LOL!
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  19. ScottPhotoCo
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    ScottPhotoCo
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    from Pomona, CA

    Sweet! Can you post links to those threads?

    Much appreciated.
     
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  20. Primetime 45
    Joined: Aug 7, 2016
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    Primetime 45

    Nice truck and it will be a fun project. Will it be a DD? I built a 51 F1 over a several year span and I agree with the earlier advice to concentrate on getting it roadworthy and the rest will fall into place as you enjoy driving it. My F1 has a 302, C4, 9 inch Torino rear end with 2:80 gearing. Cruises at 70mph @ 2200 rpm. Front suspension is mustang II, and softened the ride by removing 3 leafs from the rear springs which also lowered the rear about 1 1/2 inches. Truck cruises at highway speed with the best of them and the ride is good. Also installed a/c because the wife loved to ride with me but once the Texas heat got above 95 each summer, she would protest...
    Enjoy your project F1 and keep us posted!
    Here is a photo after I painted is last spring.

    [​IMG]


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  21. Dino 64
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    Dino 64
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  22. mike matters
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    mike matters

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  23. ...good luck with your truck,...I like all kinds of old trucks, especially the F-1's...
    here's a few Ive put back on the road... my cars 008.jpg 48 dirt road 003.jpg 48f1-rt251f1 004.jpg
     
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  24. Since this thread has resurfaced, how about an update @ScottPhotoCo ?
     

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