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Projects 1951 Chevy 3600 , even more Qs. What about split rims?

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by Baumi, Jun 24, 2020.

  1. When I got my 1951 3100 I converted it to open drive and mated a Camaro T5 transmission to the 235 that was already in it. That was a pretty straight forward procedure. Also updated to a dual reservoir brake master cylinder. I have a project thread here on the hamb that might be of some interest to you.
    https://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/threads/51-chevy-3100-project.672888/
     
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  2. jetnow1
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    I complain how hard it is to find decent parts in Northeast USA, I cannot imagine what you
    overseas rodders go thru. Hats off to you. I also am doing a 3600.
     
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  3. So you have a pretty heavy duty truck there. Any of my old 8-lug trucks were open drive and I just put up with the 4.56 or 5.38 rears. I helped convert an old 3100 (1949 or 1950) 6-lug truck to open drive using a newer rear our of a Chevy Suburban. Made up new spring perches and it looked factory when done.
     
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  4. Baumi
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    So I finally went to pick up the 51 3600 last Sunday. It was a well over 1200 kms roundtrip, but my friend Tom @TomFranzi was riding shotgun and we had a great time benchracing about his roadster and whatever. We were picking up car parts for Tom and a friend on the way, so we met a few cool car guys on our way.
    So, now the truck is home! It´s pretty solid. Th only major rust is in the driver´s side floor pan. A few cracks in the fenders and alot of dents, but I really wish Dani´s Suburban would have been that solid! I couldn´t be happier! STIO3036.jpg DJNV2407.jpg CDAH2485.jpg
     
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  6. Congratulations on getting your new truck home! How did that BMW do with the trailer? Please keep us posted on your progress!


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  7. Baumi
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    Andy,Thank you! Well, it did pretty well!:) The "beater" beamer is my girlfriend´s and I borrow it whenever I need to tow something. It´s a 3 liter turbo diesel with a GM 5L40E transmission, but I doubt these have been sold in the US as Diesels. It´s got 193 HP and a little over 300 ft/lbs @ 1700 rpm. I set the cruise control at 72 mph which was fine. ( The " official" speed limit for towing is 50mph).:D We had to load the truck backwards because it has no engine in it and all the parts were in the bed. All of that did not help the airflow which was pretty noticeable over 75mph. It was pretty hot and humid that day and I was impressed that old beamer with more than 200 k miles on the clock didn´t break a sweat nor burn a drop of oil. I towed a 64 Electra 225 a few years ago , and while it was heavier than this truck it wasn´t fighting the wind as much...
     
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  8. Baumi
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    BTW, me and Tom were actually discussing if it wouldn´t make sense and be fun to put such a diesel drivetrain in an old truck like the 3600. Parts cars can be had for a could hundred bucks around here. Better ones for a grand. But we finally agreed that a stovebolt 6 was the way to go... it just would feel wrong to put a modern drivetrain in there.
     
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  9. jetnow1
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    Stock would have been a 216 six splash oiler , later 235 six is almost a bolt in and oil pressure pump.
    there are many swap kits for the chevy v8s also, the front frame is virtually the same as the 1/2 ton.
    The rear end is already open but at least 4:56 gears and it still has Huck brakes. There are little to no
    replacement drums for 3/4 ton Hucks. Replacement linings and wheel cylinders are expensive but available as is the master cyl. Body parts are the same as 1/2 ton except for bed sides. I had good luck with ClassicParts.com patch panels. I do not know of any brake swaps for the 3/4 ton spindles except
    the 54 to? bendix brakes on 3/4 ton trucks., or swap out the front axle for a 1/2 ton one and you can get
    many disc brake kits. Springs are the same 1/2 ton and 3/4 ton (fronts). In Germany you might want to
    look into the Jaguar independent front end/rear end swap.
     
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  10. 302GMC
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    Nobody's mentioned the front motor mount yet. The '62 plate behind the timing gear has no provision for a mount, so you'll need to pull the pan, and replace it with a 216 or 235 front plate with mount. You'll know immediately if it's fresh. Replacement rubber cushions or complete mounts are available.
    As far as the water pump, I find it much more satisfying to shorten the '55 up pump. We use a Falcon pulley, and press the flange further down the shaft until the pulleys align, then whack off the extra. No $$ spent, no new holes in anything, no double gasket crap, no hassle.
     
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    My family had a 51 3/4 ton on the vacation property and would like to find another,this time it would get the 261 and 3 speed o/d trans I have in stock.
     
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  12. Baumi
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    I started working on the body and did some investigating on the truck. I found my truck has 17" split rims that use a retaining ring. I´m not sure sfae or unsafe these are after all those years... What do you think?
     
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    And I did acutally make some progress... I rearanged the shop to free up some space for the cab. Moved the 34 Plymouth with our 1954 Eicher 11 hp tractor. That tiny guy is pretty practical. Also pulled the front clip and the cab from the chassis and moved it into the shop so I could start working on the caved in cowl side / twisted a pillar situation. I managed to get the crease out pretty well, but once it was back in shape the metal was strechted so much it had a bubble to the outside- a cowl side repair panel came with the truck, and the bottom of the a pillar was rusty anyway, so I replaced it- the last dent on the top will be pulled out from the outside, because I had no way to reach behind that area.
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  14. Baumi, please don’t even consider using those split ring wheels. Around here they are known as Widowmakers. There is not a tire shop around me that will work on them and I live out in the country where they were prevalent. Just get some one piece eight lug wheels, the bolt pattern hasn’t changed.


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  15. Baumi
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    Alright... that sounds pretty scary..Thanks for your advice , Andy!
     
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  16. jetnow1
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    The bolt pattern has not changed but be careful of backspace, the tie rods are pretty close to the wheel.
     
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  17. squirrel
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    The wheels with a retaining ring aren't too bad, but you do need to pay attention to how they go together properly, and inflate them in a cage in case they are not seated.

    The real widowmakers are the wheels that separate in half. They've been known to come apart when they're in use, I think. Firestone RH-5. Look it up.
     
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  18. I like the 3-piece wheels myself, the 2-piece ones are tricky to get the outer ring portion to seat when you air them up. Everything has got to be clean and not bent. Put the pieces together with no tire so you get an idea how they should look. Any truck tire truck I worked with had a safety cage... but few used them. We would air them up under the back step bumper instead.
     
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  19. Baumi
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    Woah, I guess I´m gonna spare myself from this shot of adrenalin . I don´t have a cage nor a death wish or any experience with split rims:D and I´d like to become 98 like my grandma.... I´ll better be looking for a set of 1 piece wheels.
     
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