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Technical 1940s Aircraft WWII Instrument Lamps for a Deuce

Discussion in 'Traditional Hot Rods' started by Ric Dean, Aug 9, 2014.

  1. Ric Dean
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    1940s Aircraft WWII War Bird Instrument Panel Lamps.

    .. Help needed with the function of 1940s Aircraft WWII War Bird Instrument Panel Lamps; I’m a wiring illiterate but in the planning stage of setting up a Deuce with a 1940’s inspired Dash and back fit 1930s 2 3/8’’ Gauges.
    .. My question is I have four B17 matching Lamp Holders - red, green, blue and white; what proper function should be assigned to the 4 diff colors, or is this over doing it with 4 Lamps? I will be running a full race street 276ci Flathead, Wiring with Aircraft push-pull Mag Switch and Starter Button also an electric Fuel Pump. This will be utilitarian through back to the 40’s no Power/Air/ Directionals no nutin but a Multiple Fuel System; with two Tanks ‘Hand Pressure Pump’ Check Valves & Gauges.

    PS: see B17 Lamps 5, 600p .jpg WWII B17 Cockpit 600p .jpg enc. Photos of the 4 Lamps & a B17 Cabin.

    Thanks, Ric
     
  2. Check the bulbs, they may be 24v.
    Red, for generator operation.
    Blue, high beam
    green, nitrous or get another for your turn signals
    white, pointed down to read your map
     
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  3. rotorwrench
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    Red is universal for "Warning". Amber is universal for "Caution". Blue & white are not common colors for aircraft in that time frame. Green was common for landing gear safe indications (down and locked) or other indications for systems normal or safe. I'm not sure what bulbs are available for those old indicator lights but they were most likely 24-volt applications.
     
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  4. jseery
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    Don't know if you have your heart set on the larger indicator lights or not. I went through all of this a few month ago and settled on the smaller jeweled lights. They are not real easy to find, but they can be had. I like the size and style. Also, worked in aircraft (Boeing Military) designing instruments and lighting. I agree with rotorwrench on the color indications. I am using green for turn signals, and red for warnings.
     

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  5. I tried one of the red lights on my model A many years ago,,it looked cool but when I hit the dimmer switch for my brights it illuminated the entire cab,,it was too bright!

    Check the light to see if you can live with the brightness before you install them. HRP
     
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  6. wsdad
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    If you find the bulbs are 24vdc, they make adapters to bump the voltage UP from 12vdc to 24vdc. This is the first one I found after doing a google search.

    http://www.powerstream.com/dc-2171.htm

    It was only $22.00.

    Good luck!

    " The way of fools seems right to them, but the wise listen. -Soloman
     
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  7. unkledaddy
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    The smaller the better for night time driving. indicators.jpg
     
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  8. jseery
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    Nice lights, but think he is looking for a late 1940 or early 1950 look.
     
  9. Ric Dean
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    ‘unkledaddy’ gave me an idea though; I could slide one of those modern ones inside the B17 lamps to tone them down.
     
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  10. Period correct is period correct...if you're going to the trouble of getting WWII vintage lamps, why not go to the trouble to install/use them in a period fashion? LED's or 12v power need not apply. Why not find appropriate 6v bulbs and roll with it?

    You may be able to fool the masses, but you'll always 'know'. JMO.
     
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  11. ^This is a sensible usage^
    I have seen systems with a single turn indicator that flashed both left and right. I know 63 plymouth valiant for sure had only one. I wouldn't mess with 24v bulbs, I would convert to the tiny LEDs. If done correctly, the LED will last a lifetime
     
  12. Ric Dean
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    Ya when your right your right; you don’t run Bonneville in the Dark
     
  13. wsdad
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    It's also adjustable. (Less voltage = dimmer for night time driving.)

    " The way of fools seems right to them, but the wise listen. -Soloman
     
  14. mashed
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    I'd use the red for oil pressure and the green for generator.

    20 million VW bugs can't be wrong.
     
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  15. Ric Dean
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    .. Thanks for your input; I’m going to add another photo to show I could always change the bulb sockets if needed to stick with 6V.
     

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  16. jseery
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    So what is what in the photo? It shows a screw in socket and a blade socket. The screw in bulbs are around, that is what I am using, but so are the blade style.
     
  17. I changed my 24v bulbs to 12v, went online to find the proper one to fit the socket.
     
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  18. gnichols
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    Red - left turn signal
    Green - right turn signal
    Blue - hi-beams
    White - dome light

    Not... LOL. Gary
     
  19. jseery
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    Well, I agree with the LOL part.
     
  20. Ric Dean
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    ‘Rotorwrench’
    .. Sounds like you know your way around old piston engine Warbirds. I’ve got a question for you; when starting them was there 1st ‘power on switch then Mag on switch and then Starting Button?
    Thank you for your input, Ric
     
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  21. GeezersP15
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    If in fact they have 24V bulbs in them, try them before buying 6 or 12V bulbs. They might still be bright enough for you on reduced voltage.
     
  22. Ric Dean
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    .. No the best yet is from ‘Rotorwrench’ “Green was common for landing gear safe indications (down and locked)” ya need this for a Deuce HiBoy at 120mph and above!
     
  23. Ric Dean
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    .. There will be no turn signals in this Deuce; I have lived here for 45 years if people don’t know where I’m going its their problem.

    Best regards; Ric
     
  24. Canuck
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    Went through this a while ago, trying to select indicator lamps for my 30 coupe dash. Wanted cool looking, vintage, not too large, not too bright and didn't want any light thrown around behind the dash. Picked these
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    Canuck
     
  25. Ric Dean
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    ‘Jseery’
    .. I’m answering these posting a little out of sequence, I haven’t even checked out bulb availability yet but the hole size does look big to me for miniature Bulbs. My point to a couple of guys was I’m not limited to 24V bulbs if they do take a bigger hole; are they? It’s a little early to be talking about all that because I can change out that part of the Lamp anyway or whatever is needed. Never the less the aim is to stick with 6V system; in due time I will get involved with Duel Battery system.


    I wanted to reply to your earlier post directly because you had some knowledgeable points; but that will be changing the topic; so I’ll get back to you.


    Thanks, Ric
     
  26. Can't wait to see the rest of the project!!
     
  27. Ric Dean
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    I agree they are cool looking; are they Old Stock or new?
     
  28. Canuck
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    Lucas, used up to the 70s. Not sure when they started using them. Everything from MGs to Nortons. Thats where I fell in love with them, on a early 60s Norton.

    Cancuck
     
  29. Ric Dean
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    ‘GeezersP15’
    .. I will be running the Deuce with a 6V system. Wouldn’t I have to run each lamp with a reducer? I wouldn’t want to run them with 24V the lens is 5/8 inchs and like
    Jseery’ & ‘HOTRODPRIMER’ said the Lamps overwhelm a small car interior.
    Thanks, Ric
     
  30. If you use 6v on a 24v bulb, you will get a real dim light, might be just right so as to not blind you at night. In an off topic car I used the smallest (2 mm) blue LED for the high beam indicator, first time I drove it at night I put a piece of electrical tape over it and it is still covered.
     

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