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Hot Rods 1937 Dodge Ol Bessy is Coming Home....redux

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by Sharps40, Oct 5, 2018.

  1. Sharps40
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    Sharps40

    Will give it a shot with new seals and jets from Mike's. Prolly need to polish the pump bores as well.
     
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  2. Sharps40
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    Sharps40

    Dad, Good news. We have Ol Bessy back up and running like new. I think the carb issues are temporarily vetted (more tuning likely required). The accelerator pump seals had broken in both carbs. One balled up, one completely torn in half. She was jetted so rich that she started and ran okay anyway. Although these seals were ethanol resistant, they were very thin and floppy, kind of cheap. New ones are more robust and have expanders.

    So, I know you always said change only one thing at at time.....but, while i was in the carbs to replace the pump seals (used new ethanol resistant heavy duty cups with expander springs) I replaced the very large #57 jets on the primary carb. Now both primary and secondary carbs are running the same size jets, #55s.

    The test drive went well with a marked improvement in acceleration and response to throttle inputs. Several pulls from second and third to wide open didn't result in any pinging. I'll have to drive a tank or two, do some tuning and check plugs to see if the primary carb will want smaller jets than these but its a step in the right direction.

    Now to get back to front suspension, pinion angles and improving the rear springing........ She Runs!!!!! Celebrating with a cigar and an R.O.C-Co-Cola!
     
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  3. Mudgy
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    G'Day Sharps, Ol' Bessie is awesome mate. I haven't tuned here for a LOOOONG while.. It's credit to you mate.
    Cheers, Mudgy
     
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  4. Sharps40
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    Thanks Mudgy. I checked #3 and #8 plug after cleaning, reinstalling and going on a 20 mile ride. One complete turn of light tan/gold on the base ring, no soot on either plug. So, I think the fuel is close now. I need to warm her up and reset the fuel screws by vacuum and run it a couple more tank fulls of gas.

    Not real happy with the very low front end but I did cut the coils by 3/4 on the install, just to get the shocks to fit. Arms are pointing down 1.5 degrees so its settled in nicely, just a bit lower than I like. If it continues to rub I'll prolly try another set of v6 springs without any cut, or less cut if i can't get them in full length.

    Just waiting now for the arrival of what I hope to be the last axle shim and I'll get to the rear springs too.....not sure if I'll clamp the front leaves or just install a 550 lb helper to help keep her from bottoming with passengers in the rear.

    For now, gotta get Dad down here to drive his Ol Gal!
     
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  5. Sharps40
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    Just filled the tank. Ran one half on the fat jets and one half on the new smaller jets. Mileage rose again, showing 11.88 mpg with mostly stop and go driving. We'll see what it looks like with this new tank running through on those 2 step smaller jets. Still havn't reset the idle mix from the fat jets....I'll have to get to that soon, but right now its hunting season and all my time is in the woods.
     
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  6. Sharps40
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    Dad, Big step forward. First high speed highway run for Ol Bessy in about 25+ years. A photo out over the hood headed south on I74.....and a short video of the speedometer and serene music, as we steadily roll South bound at 70 mph. (She's loud and thirsty at that speed but pushed her past 75 mph for a stretch and we know she can do it relatively smoothly. But, with no upholstery at least she's no louder than she was running that weak flathead lawn tractor motor all those years.) I think we finally have the right operating angles for the drive shaft. Bessy no longer shakes her self apart on hard acceleration and running the highway at 2800 to 3100 rpm didn't elicit any untoward vibration from the drive line.



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  7. 56 Dodge Pickup
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    Awesome congratulations
     
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  8. Sharps40
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    Dad,
    Last year i went with the Ford style swan neck mirrors that bolt on. The clip on style for the old dodges always vibrated and fell off.
    Problem was the curvature of the door shell didn't allow the ford mirrors to swing in enough to be usable without really contorting your neck.
    So, I cut a 3 degree shim for the drivers side and a 7.5 degree shim for the passenger side and now, I can see out the back on both sides without breaking my neck.

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  9. Sharps40
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    Dad,
    First endurance run today. 232 miles. Left this morning at 0945 and arrived home at 1600. Just over a full tank of gas and we netted a strong 12.25 mpg with some stops and averaging cruise speeds of 55 mph.

    From Pekin, NC we went north through Troy, NC to the Pisgah Covered Bridge. Stopped for photos. Then North/around and through the Uhwarrie National Forest to the west side and South to the town of Uhwarrie. From there to Troy, NC again for lunch at Better Burger. Down State 109 to Wadesborough, NC and further South and East to Bennettsville, SC by way of Cheraw, SC. From there back up State 15/501 to Aberdeen, NC., North and West through Seven Lakes and Candor, NC on 211 and finally, out State 731 at the South end of the Uwharrie National Forest to home here in Pekin.

    She ran great. Tune seems fine and the carbs are working fine. Next endurance outing will be up the interstate from Pekin, NC to Fancy Gap, VA and back holding highway speeds.

    Todays trip confirms about all we need to do now mechanically is raise the front end on new springs, get the rear springs under control and probably rebuild the rear differential. Then, it'll be upholstery time.
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  10. 56 Dodge Pickup
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    Very cool congratulations
     
  11. Sharps40
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    Thanks. Each outing builds confidence and uncovers the needed tweaks. Having fun. Hopefully Dad will be here to drive her for the first time In 30 odd years before Christmas.
     
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  12. Sharps40
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    Resprung the front and picked her up a bit over 1.5 inches. Should clear the tires now. If she sets down again will have to go to a heavier spring.

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  13. Sharps40
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    Sharps40

  14. 56 Dodge Pickup
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    I had the same thing with my 37 loved the look but couldn’t keep the tire off the fender on the corners
     
  15. Sharps40
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    Exactly. I ran her 120 miles on the freeway to settle the new moog springs. She set down about 1/4 in. The ride is much better, more precise, on uncut springs. Very happy so far and we still have a nice stance.
     
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  16. Sharps40
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    Figured I'd better update this post on the attempt to purchase a 1937 Dodge Business Coupe from a Classic Car Dealer in MN. The deal is closed. I bought a 2020 Nissan Frontier from a local dealership instead.


    July 2020: Got financing, called reputable classic car dealer in MN. YADA, YADA, solid/good, etc., do you have a clear title? Yes.

    Agreed on price + shipping. Signed contract. Bank says Send him deposit. Wired it. Received confirmation from dealer and bank. Done.


    August 2020: Bank says, adequate title not received, its in the deceased fathers name, needs vin inspection and updating to release funds.

    Dealer says, can get it done but MN title inspections closed (COVID) our appointment is 17 Nov 20.


    September, October and November 2020: Written communications: are we still on for 17 Nov 20 Title inspection? Yes, no problems.


    Late October 2020: I note that now, 3 months after signing contract and transmitting deposit, all adds nation wide for this car are closed/marked sold. (incidentally found the car for sale variously in these ads from $16K to $23K).


    2 November 2020: Written Communications: are we still on for 17 Nov 20 Title inspection? Yes.


    17 November 2020: No contact from Dealer.


    18 November 2020: Written and verbal contact with dealer initiated......excuses, we are sick, tag inspectors closed offices again in october (never got a courtesy call, note our written 2 November 2020 communication). But, good news is we have a new inspection date for 27 January 2021.


    No thanks, send me my deposit back....


    December 2020: Multiple written and verbal communications with Dealer concerning return of deposit. Multiple written and verbal excuses and promises.


    12 December 2020: Deposit refund check received in the mail.


    15 December 2020: Deposit check cleared my bank.


    Thank goodness its over. Never figured on being treated so poorly by someone well established in the business. To date the car has not been re-advertised. I can assume it is no longer available for sale......
     
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  17. Sharps40
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    Spiffing up for her big reveal at camp this week. Headed to the low country for quail and pheasant.

    No interior and cloud and drafty but pulling 12 mpg and good reliability to date...

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  18. Sharps40
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    Belly full of butterflies tonight.

    Rolling in my car, on a trip, not just to town and back, first time in 30 years. Used to drive her daily all over the east coast. Was nothing to hop in and run 400 miles. I was twentysomething then. Carried tools and oil/water, gaskets, carbs. Dumb and fearless!
     
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  19. Sharps40
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    Easy road...back roads through NC and SC. 60 mph all the way. A stellar 13 mpg! Rain all the way. Newport wipers work great. Heater melts sneakers. Burned headlights for the whole 3 hours, so confidence in the electric system now as well. Rear end noisy but holding together.....overall, very pleased. Hell, the stereo even answers the cell phone!

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  20. Sharps40
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    It was a great trip. On Bessy ran strong. 20210207_065834.jpg
     
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