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Hot Rods 1932 ?'s:TKO ? Hydraulic or mechanical clutch/ what quickchange?

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  1. wildwest
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    Hello, thanks for all the great info on my other threads, I sold the flathead powered Wescott car, kept what I wanted to keep, and bought a new Brookville '32 Roadster body second hand but un-used, so now comes the new chassis set up ! I am going to run a Small block Chevy, with a Tremec TKO and I have a few questions! I have searched, but hoping to find answers pertaining to my specific set up : Aftermarket boxed '32 chassis with stock firewall, Mild 300-400 hp small block, 6"-7" wide, tall rear tire, I want to do it right the first time, & never have to worry about strength or reliability !

    -If I use a TKO with the shifter in comes with (flipped front to rear) will I need to cut up the sub rail brace on the body, and will it fit with a stock style bench seat? I plan to make my own shifter handle, but don't know if I need to buy the expensive mid mount shifter for the transmission ?

    -Within the constraints of a 1932 Ford Chassis size, should I run a Hydraulic master and slave cylinder or build Mechanical linkage? If I go Hydraulic, I would most likely buy the Pete & Jakes pedal/cylinder kit (looks like Willwood components) and just have to build a bracket for the slave cylinder, but if I do that, do I need a remote reservoir? any personal experience with this set up in a 32? I like the idea of Mechanical linkage, but the closest thing I have found to a "kit" is one that Socal Sells, and seems more like a loosely assembled bunch of components for trial & error. Is there a somewhat easy way or kit?

    -I plan on doing a Winters Steel Bell Quick change with helical cut gears, and a polished center section on Pete & Jakes or So Cal or whatever Ladder bars, with some QA1 coilovers I already have. Should I run the V8 size or the Champ size ? I already have a notched gas tank, but does the bigger Champ size have a bunch of clearance issues? is the V8 size plenty strong? I want to be able to do burnouts and bang gears once in awhile & not worry about the strength of the rear, but is one inherently better than the other? is one noiser than the other? does one fit or look way better ?

    Thanks in advance, you guys are awesome !
     
  2. Jmountainjr
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    I'll let some '32 guys give you more detail, but in my '28/'29 roadster I have a TKO 600 and just flopped the original shifter to get the 2" forward movement and worked out well with a bench seat and no floor support cutting. No need for the mid-shift kit. In fact I had one just in case I needed it and sold it. My big point I want to make is to consider getting the TKO with the optional "road race" .82 OD. It will even out all the gear splits and get rid of the typical big 4-5 ratio jump most 5 speeds have.
     
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  4. wildwest
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    That looks like a pretty trick bracket.
     
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  5. I have a 32 with a 3550. I used the midshift kit to clear a bench. Gary at Cornhusker can tell you how to do the hydraulic clutch on the right side. That appears to be a good way on a chevy.
     
  6. RockyMtnWay
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    Sounds like you’re kinda doing what I did (except I went SBC/TKO600/Ford 9”) and you’re gonna love rowing gears in that style of roadster. :)
    FWIW: I ended up going to the mid shifter location. I tried to get everything working using the ‘flipped around’ rear position but it created issues for me with the floor brace and the seating position. Either way, I think you’re going to have clearance issues between the trans case (the rear shifter pod) and floor brace/crossmember. In my roadster, I squeaked it under the brace without trimming the case or the bracket by using a thin cover plate, but a buddy with a tko in his 5W needed to trim off the front of his floor brace. Any issues you may experience will depend on your engine/trans position, height and angle.
    I also did fully mechanical linkage. I was leary of leak issues and already had a set of TCI pedals w/o a clutch m/c so I just decided to build a bolt-on bracket that moves the clutch throw to the right of the brake pedal, putting it in direct line with a clutch fork I modified to work. Not pretty but cheap and works fine. Don’t know of any kits, but a buddy found a pedal set-up that does same thing as my setup and is way more elegant. It’s a repop of the 1939 Ford pedal design. Puts the clutch throw right of the brake pedal using the internal shaft and it looks beauty. I’m jealous of it.
    Best of luck whichever way you go.
    Cheers,
    Mike
     
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  7. wildwest
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    Thanks Mike! Do you happen to have any pictures of your setup from when you built your car?
     
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  8. RockyMtnWay
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    Not a big pic taker, but here's a few to show shifter/trans position.
    1st pic to illustrate where the mid shift location comes up through the floor.
    **Large hole for pedals needed so I could mount/remove them without taking firewall off (my poor design), but it worked out as I made a fill panel with nylon sleeves for the pedals to slide up and down in. Love the nylon sleeves as the pedals travel super smooth now.
    2nd and 3rd pics from earlier on when I was mounting e-brake and starting the pedal mods (unfortunately, cannot find any good ones of my bracket though).
    You'll note the mod on the frame cross-member for the trans upgrade, but I didn't need to trim the floor brace. And yes, the firewall was originally going onto a chassis with an auto trans.

    transfit2.JPG
    tansfit.JPG transfit3.JPG

    Hope these help a little bit.
    Cheers again.
     
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  9. wildwest
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    Awesome, Thanks ! I want to do a frame mounted e-brake as well.
     
  10. Andy
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    I worked on my son’s 91 Mustang. It uses a short cable to pull on the clutch arm. It would super easy to mount so the clutch pedal pulls on the cable and a bracket would mount on the trans so the end of the cable pulls on the arm. The cables are really cheap and never leak.
     
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  11. wildwest
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    with a hydraulic set up, would I need a remote reservoir because they are both so low?
     
  12. 29AVEE8
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    Back to one of your original questions. You mentioned 300-400 horsepower and burnouts and banging gears. A V-8 center section is not going to last with that abuse. You need to go to a Champ center section. In my opinion a V-8 looks better under the rear of a roadster, probably because we have seen so many of them, and a Champ looks a bit big.
     
  13. Bam.inc
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    This is a great thread...Subscribed for Tech!I hope to be learning some tips for same setup in 32 coupe in next year.


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  14. wildwest
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    I know I have seen a few TKO's in 32's in The Rodders Journal over the years, but not much tech.
     
  15. FlyingRN
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    I just spent several hours on the web yesterday searching for the perfect manual brake mc and mechanical clutch pedal assembly for dads 32. I spoke with a guy at Pete and Jakes, they recommended their hydraulic clutch kit. Part number 3040LC (less cylinders) The guy on the phone had used this kit on his car with mechanical linkage with no problems, so I ordered it. He says all you have to do is not use the mounting bracket for the hydraulic clutch just attach a heim joint with a rod on the bottom of the clutch pedal for the push style Z-bar. Hope this helps.

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  16. FlyingRN
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    Heres a pic of the bracket Screenshot_20190129-154408_Drive.jpeg

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  17. Bandit Billy
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    ^^^I have those P&J brake and clutch arms still in the wrapper, chrome, perfect. Just sayin.
     
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  18. MIKE STEWART
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    What about stock 1939 ford set and Muncie 4 speed? If I swap them for the 1940 set / eliminate the z bar and have a direct connection to clutch fork with fabrication to clutch arm. Any one had any success? Pics ??


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  19. wildwest
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    Would a reproduction 39 pedal setup have enough throw ?
     
  20. MIKE STEWART
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    I just got a repo set from Bob Drake. Arm is on top - need one on bottom. I used a 1939 set for a top loader Ford 4 speed to push the clutch fork. The Muncie 4 speed and Chevy 327 need to pull back. Will require fabrication.


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  21. MIKE STEWART
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    I saw a pic in second edition of Frank Oddo ‘s How to build Street Rods of longer arm mounted on the bottom of the clutch petal. Not measurements were given - just 1939 set of petals


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  22. Happydaze
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    I would say not. I base this on the fact that I have a project '32 3w with very similar specifications to what you're aiming for. Mine is not far from coming apart for painting, but it's been a long haul! It has a working hydraulic clutch (with hydraulic throw out bearing) which has been bled and tested many times and has sat for many months without any issues. I intend to drive the car before the teardown.

    Chris
     
  23. big duece
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    Winters advertises their positrac for the V8 units good for up to 400-500hp with 31sp Ford 9" slide in axles. I would not use the helical cut gears with that much power, use the straight cut ones. Helical are quieter, only advantage. The straight cut will be noisier, no more noisy than your kick ass engine. The Winters unit is 3/4"to 1" shorter than Halibrand 201, so no notch in gas tank.
     
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  24. wildwest
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    If a winters V8 is used and it does clear the tank, is it still a real pain to get the cover off ?
     
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  25. wildwest
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    Well, I bought an engine from a friend, simple ZZ4 crate engine with about 1000 miles on it over the last 5 years. Supposed to be 355 hp and 405 lb/ft, so should be plenty peppy for a 2400 lb-ish car. So that's the power i'm dealing with and what my drive train has to suffer abuse from !
     
  26. wildwest
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    Is there a magic parts combo for a SBC fitting with an uncut stock firewall ?
     
  27. Small diameter distributor, short water pump, and P&J motor mounts.
    Their directions tell the whole story.
     
  28. DDDenny
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    An inch added to the wheelbase helps a lot.
     
  29. Andy
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    Zip’s water pump solves it.
     
  30. Dino 64
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    Are you using a Brookville chassis ? They make a pedal assembly that fits their’s.


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