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Hot Rods 1930 Model A Pick-up Build A.K.A. No Talent Zilch Builds the "Captain"

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by Stutz, Feb 7, 2012.

  1. I've always been more of a "customs" guy than a "hot rod" guy. They to me are the yin to the yang inside the microcosm of our culture. Always had respect for true period hot rods, but for some reason, owning a hot rod seemed out of reach for me. Just like ever other obsessive gearhead of like mind, I doodled them all my life, merely as a dream.
    Speaking of doodles, I drew this is 2005 while I was living in Denver
    Funny how life works sometimes...

    I recently hit a really big speed bump in life that made me rethink what my plans were and are. I needed something to reinvigorate me and occupy my mind away from the shit storm that I walked into.

    I had a 2 '62 Cadillacs. Both four doors. One was my parts car, the other a complete car in need of TLC an alot of time and focus. I was unfortunately over them both. So, knowing a secret stash of miscellaneous parts at a friends, I offered up a trade. One complete '62 Caddy for a hacked up Model A pickup cab and a twisted Model A frame. Other bits and pieces included, like a rusted to hell 5 window coupe roof. My friend, luckily for me, agreed. He thinks he got the much better side of the deal, and honestly was just happy that I would be taking on the project to save the old truck cab.

    The Model A cab in question was some long lost attempt by someone in the 1960's to make a roadster pickup. It seems they didn't get very far...

    In my mind, I now have a great starting point. Hell just having a Model A ford anything immediately pulled me out of mental muck I was swimming in.

    Heres what I have...

    One 30/31 Model A Roadster Pickup Cab

    One 30/31 Model A 5 Window (beat and rusted chunk of shit) top


    One twisted up Model A Frame

    Moved them to my shop...


    and played around with what I had...

    The Body was channeled and the frame horns chopped off and set up to have a scary ass suicide front axle. The welds where atrocious.

    So based on my simple and basic drawing, I had a direction. The final plan is to extend the cab into the length of the 5 window top, as a "removable hard top" similar to a T-bird. Suicided axle, split wishbones, and E&J Headlights. Capped wheels and whites. Late 50's style and angry. I want to do burn outs. plain and simple.

    A '54 331 Cadillac Motor and Trans will power the project.

    I picked up a 39?-41 front axle, bones, and brakes, from a friend for a C note.

    I planned to use the rear section of my parts car '62 cadillac as a base for the frame, including the rearend, and front and back wheels.

    Magically, while talking hot rods with a guy who was a club member of the local "Conquistadors" Car Club of Sheridan back in the day, the subject of tires was brought up. He offered to give me a nearly new set of tires for the project. I ended up giving him 20 bucks for these (five) beauties.

    As you can see, I will run some '56 Cadillac caps all the way around.

    So I started mocking things. I torn apart the front axle, and cut the bones,
    ...mounted the back tires, and came up with a plan for the frame. I understand that the use of the Cadillac rear frame section is a strange choice, but I decided that if I had it in 1962, i might do the same thing. I hope to keep everything to the 58-62 time frame with the end goal, again, being a show car that rips shitties when necessary.

    I quickly decided that I could use the front part of the Model A frame and add steel to connect to the Cad section.

    Mocking up this part, tons of measuring, and planning the ride height that would allow me to drive around Wyoming with out worrying about ripped something off.

    Well at this point the twists and bends in the A frame where to much to please my impatience and I opted to build to completely fresh rails and model the front horns after the exact shape of the Model rails. Here they are, cut and upside.

    basic shots that self explain what I did.



    A whole lot of welding and grinding and work, and I had a shiny set of frame points

    I measured a million times and set the height of the rails and the rear section. I trimmed a couple things and the two became one. Not to mention clearing up the middle part of what was to become the X in the frame.

    At this point I was exactly three weeks away from the day I brought the parts to my shop.

    More to come...
  2. 4psi
    Joined: Nov 30, 2011
    Posts: 283


    What is the wheelbase on that sucker?

    Is it the same as a normal Model A frame?
  3. I was moving along good, all the while thinking of color choices and designs. Into my mind popped a name. "Captain" in honor of my Grandfathers rank in the military during WWII, and also the man from whom I inherited my nickname "Stutz". It all feel into place... a nice kobalt blue, with white and cream. Dressed up sharp like an Army Air force Captain should be.

    The frame is simple and attractive, and should meet my needs as well as preventing unnecessary wallet hemorrhage.

    One Dog Power

    I created some cross members to strengthen the frame, and apparently was to busy to take a better picture.

    I pile of metal...

    I happen to have a spare 331 Caddy motor that came out of a "hay picker upper". What better to mock up and create my motor mounts with.

    Obviously, Im simplifying the shit out of all this...

    Templates are the Bees Knees...

    The surface will be smoothed and filled to the motor mounts can be accessed from below.


    Next, the body needed to be positioned, since I had the motor mounts set level, square, and ect.

    First I had to strength up the cab, to free the back piece for repositioning. Then I needed to trim the inside up to fit over the rails the 4 inches, that I planned to channel it.

    Once I had it on the frame, exactly one month after I started, and two months after a cross roads in life... a car was born. or, at least the making of one.








    ...and with that. I wait for a few parts.

  4. I have all that written down at my shop unfortunately, so I don't what to tell you incorrectly, but overall length will come in around 14 Feet. I think the wheel base is in the 130's

  5. Gator
    Joined: Dec 29, 2005
    Posts: 4,016


    I'm diggin' it Stutz - good to see an actual build thread going on amongst all the recent drama threads.
  6. Thanks Gator, to be honest I was slightly nervous about posting it, because of my choice on the frame. I want a traditional styled Hot Rod, and as a poor ol' Wyoming boy, this is how I can accomplish it. I also hate chassis 'things'.

    On a side note. I want to keep with how I sketched it seven years ago... which retrospectively, I wish I had not drawn fucking E&J's for Headlights. Not that I don't love them... they are just spendy bastards.
  7. US_Marshall
    Joined: Oct 26, 2011
    Posts: 85


    Nice build I have a similare project started, I plan on making a boat tail bed for mine.
  8. I'm planning a full bed, with slightly rounded corners like a mid fifties car style. Top secret taillight treatment to be revealed at a later date
  9. This thing is going to be krazy cool !!!
    Nice fast progress.
    I gotta keep watching this come together.
    Nice work !
  10. Looking good Stutz. You just never know when a "plan" will come

    Just one thought.....that's a cool set of old tires and
    definitely a good price. But just remember they are older, and may
    not hold up under the intended use. Would hate for one to blow
    or come apart during driving.
  11. Thanks y'all, and I appreciate the advice about the tires. That would suck after all the work to be taken down by a tire!
  12. J.Ukrop
    Joined: Nov 10, 2008
    Posts: 1,255

    Staff Member

  13. Ive been waiting for this thread to pop up... Badass build for sure.
  14. LowerthanLife
    Joined: Jan 3, 2010
    Posts: 284


    i like what youre doing.......
  15. Thanks guys, I'll try and keep the thread updated often
  16. So where's the pics of you sitting in the driver seat makin Zroom Zroom noises? Haha!! Ki kick ass job so far! :D
  17. Imperial Kustom
    Joined: Dec 20, 2007
    Posts: 269

    Imperial Kustom

    what's the rodding scene like there? I know some people that live there and some who moved away. Spent some time in Sheridan myself (ex-ol' lady was from there) ad like it a lot.

    I like where this car is going, I too love the old show rods.
  18. charlieb66
    Joined: Apr 18, 2011
    Posts: 549


    Better make the box big enough for the 1000 pounds of concrete block you will need on the rear to get those springs to work.
  19. Nothing like a project to change focus.Keep up the good work!
  20. Oh trust me that happened. It was hard to resist.

    The scene in Sheridan isnt too huge, but the history here is deep.

    Yeah, your probably right.
  21. Yes sir. Anything where I can get my creative juices flowing and burn metal is like ten years of therapy roll into two minutes.
  22. Bull
    Joined: Mar 17, 2006
    Posts: 2,282


  23. pinkynoegg
    Joined: Dec 11, 2011
    Posts: 1,135


    Man great build! I have a cousin up there in Wyoming. lives in Laramie. He says there are a lot of gear heads just not that many hot rodders. Ill be watching this build closely. I like how you started with a plan and intend to follow it through. I always end up changing half way in the build
  24. Thank you! thats funny you have a family member up in Wyoming... because I have loads family in College Station. My brother, 3 cousins, and a bunch of friends are all Aggies, and my Aunt and Uncle live in Bryan. I hope to make a trip down there at some point. Anyway, your cousin is right... lots of gearheads, but the true enthusiasts are few and far between. Especially in Laramie.
  25. Here is a quick (& poorly done) AI image I build to illustrate the color/removable top. Feel free to laugh... I won't mind.


    Attached Files:

  26. slacker1965
    Joined: Aug 17, 2007
    Posts: 120


    I like where you are going with this....pls post latch detail when you get that far.....
  27. Rusty Cheese
    Joined: Oct 11, 2010
    Posts: 336

    Rusty Cheese

  28. badshifter
    Joined: Apr 28, 2006
    Posts: 3,202


    Cool project. Fun to see something done differently, and nicely. How much of the rear suspension is covered by the bed? Any mock-up pics of that area? I also like your top pics, the top blows away, and there is still another top there! Like a sharks tooth...
  29. haha that gave me a good belly laugh. Working on the bed design as we speak (or type), it will cover all of the rear section.

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