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History 15x4 American Racing Le Mans?

Discussion in 'Traditional Hot Rods' started by Dangler, Jul 1, 2015.

  1. Dangler
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    Hey guys, hoping for some clarity on some wheels I just picked up.
    Are these magnesium American Racing Le Mans or Torq Thrusts.
    They are 15X4 with Firestone Deluxe Champions 5.60-15s.
    5x4.5 bolt pattern
    What are these things worth nowadays?

    Any help would be great :) IMG_0174b.jpg
     
  2. What do they look like from the backside? All cast or steel rim? If I recall there some aluminum rims ( maybe westerns or fentons) made in the early '70s or later '60s that resembled the Americans.

    The sure look to me magnesium from here though. Some of the guys dribble vinegar on them to see, I think it foams or something.

    Oh if they are magnesium and in good shape they are worth a pretty penny.
     
  3. Dangler
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    These are all cast, no steel
    IMG_0178c.jpg IMG_0179b.jpg
     

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  4. Black Panther
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    Flat spoke wheels are LeMans wheels...
     

  5. Well then they are not copies. :D Probably not worth much I'll trade you an old rusty pair of Chevy truck wheels for 'em. :D :D :D

    If you look in the class ads here usually a pair of magnesium front runners will run in a 1000 dollar range. Judging by color alone I would say that they are magnesium.
     
  6. Black Panther
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    They look magnesium from here...I think most guys wanting front runner wheels look for the rounded spoke style....but the LeMans are rarer....they should be worth at least as much as a round spoke mag wheel..possibly more..
     
  7. Nice thing about them is that you can have brakes. :D They were a popular wheel at one time.
     
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  8. Black Panther
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    A friend of mine machined the back of his spindle mount wheels for Wilwood disc brakes....pretty trick setup...but he is a machinist so that kind of stuff is easy for him. I agree that bolt on wheels are the way to go..
     
  9. I ran American spindle mounts on both ends of my Harley for a while in the '70s. Brakes and sprockets and I didn't buy them that way. I am not sure I would trust the flange on a heavy car but a light vehicle would work for me setup that way.

    I think that the American Le Mans wheels were patterned for a heavier car.
     
  10. They are the Lemans. Not sure why they called them that or why they made them though. I ran them on the front of my 40 for a few years back in the 80's. Got tired of polishing the magnesium all the time and sold them. I can't remember exactly how much I got for them, but the guy who bought them got a deal!
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  11. LOL they made them to swell and they named them a flashy racy name to help with that endeavor. :D
     
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  12. Dangler
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    No guess-timates on value?
     
  13. Phillips
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    Flat spoke wheels are definitely LeMans, and magnesium. I don't think the LeMans was even available in aluminum, although I'm curious what the experts say. Always wondered why the were named LeMans as well, 4" wide wouldn't be much of a road racing wheel. Great shot of a Pontiac on the catalog page below sporting a set of 6" LeMans.
    mag5.jpg mag4.jpg
     
  14. blowby
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    And I'll have the Corvair with Torqettes. That's cool! Thanks for the photos.
     
  15. DDDenny
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    At least 60 bucks.
     
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  16. Well I'd see you and raise you 10 but then you'd have to loan me 71.

    It seems like anything made of magnesium these days is worth a grand like I said earlier. I would think that anyone building a fender car would jump on them. Well anyone with cash to spend. Or I'll trade you some 5" Ansen Sprints for 'em. :D
     
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  17. Tony
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    Cool wheels!
    Like Beeno said, a grand for a quick number....and quite possibly more, much for if you find the right buyer.
    They are rare for sure, and having a bolt flange (small ford besides) rather than spindle mount makes them even more desirable.
    I was offered 2k for the 15x4 mag TT's with a 4.5 bolt pattern i have on my deuce, so there are fella's out there who are willing to pay heavy if they need them.

    I'd keep em though 'cause they are pretty damn cool!
    Tony
     
  18. cwright
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    I believe they only made the le mans for two years. Would love to have all four of those on my 55 gasser
     
  19. Bass
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    PM me if you want to sell the front wheels and decide on a price. I'd like a set of those for my Willys, and that bolt pattern will fit it.
     
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  20. Down South Racer
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    Bought two of those 4" flat spoke magnesium wheels in late 1961 at Julius Hughes Atlanta Speed Shop.I dont think they were available but a couple of years.
     
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  21. landseaandair
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    Wonder if the flat spoke was a way to get more backspace. If you look at a standard American Magnesium 5 spoke skinny the spokes actually go uphill towards the center.
     
  22. primed34
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    Pair of LeMans in the swap meet at Bowling Green for $3500. No idea whether they sold or not.
     
  23. Dangler
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    I thought $1000 sounded a little low. But, who knows?
     
  24. As I've posted on the HAMB before ...

    We ran a set of magnesium American Racing Equipment 5-spokes on the coupe throughout the '60s & '70s (late 1963 through 1981 to be exact) ... 15"x4" Torq-Thrust "Le Mans" on the front ... and 15"x8½" Torq-Thrusts on the rear:

    The HEMI32 Coupe - 1963.jpg
    1963 (Le Mans up front)

    The HEMI32 Coupe - 1964.jpg
    1964 (rears mounted on Bruce's slicks)

    The HEMI32 Coupe - 1967.jpg
    Late 60's (mounted on Goodyear Blue Streaks)

    The HEMI32 Coupe - 1969.jpg
    July 1969 (headed to Andy's Picnic)

    The HEMI32 Coupe - 1973.jpg
    February 1973 (all polished up for the GNRS)

    I still have all four wheels ... and "someday" they will find their way back on the coupe for that circa 1964 Hot Rod look!
     
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  25. NOTE: Many of the magnesium American Torq-Thrust wheels have a casting / foundry date on them ... Here's the backside of my "Le Mans" wheels:

    casting # on back of American Torq Thrust Le Mans rim - 1.JPG

    casting # on back of American Torq Thrust Le Mans rim - 2.JPG
     
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  26. As for an idea on value ... here's portions of a September 13, 2008 HAMB Classified Ad that I archived:

    15" x 4" and 15" x 6" American Racing Magnesium Torq-Thrust "Le Mans" Wheels

    Location: Central CA
    Price: $4000

    A Real Nice Matching Set!
    5 on 4.75" Bolt-Pattern for GM! ...
    All in Excellent Condition! ...
    I'm asking $4000 for all (4) ...
     
  27. Yes, it's got to be so - After looking at the recent pictures hemi32 posted its easy to see.
    Pretty damn cool wheels !
     
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  28. nobux
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    I'll take 2 polished spindle mount fronts for $65 a piece.
     
  29. Dangler
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  30. sport fury
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    recently seen a pair of the going for over $2000
     

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