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Projects 1956 Ford "Canned Monster" Gasser

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by Lancer, Jan 5, 2014.

  1. Roothawg
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    I wish I could see the logo. I've never seen that car.
     
  2. Lancer
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    So, our pal Bill Carlson, owner of WAC Customs (BCCHOPIT) and official sponsor of our Canned Monster just informed me that he is upgrading our axle, the one he just finished! Bigger and stronger now, just in case those front wheels come up. More pics to come.

    Bill can explain more of the technical details of how and why this is done.
     
  3. belair
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    Looking good. But it's Y block, right? Don't worry about the front wheels. :)
     
  4. AA/FA 0045
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    Looks great. Why not use M/T or M and H tires?
     
  5. Lancer
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    AA/FA 0045, everything is an option, but I was wanting the older pie crust look to the tires. If they wanted to sponsor the tires, I def would be all for it.

    belair, thanks for the support and the snarky comments =)
     
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  7. Atwater Mike
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    GREAT design and execution on the front axle: that is the right way. (never see it done like that any more, super fab by Bill!)

    I have a '54 Coupe, gasser style (after a slew of previous '54 Coupes, and '56's) so this thread is real to me. (especially since you're right next door, and it will run at Eagle field, out beyond my back yard... Woo-Hoo!)

    When you locate the top loader, be aware that the Jeep B/W top loader 4 speed uses a cane type shift tower that bolts right on, eliminating the need for linkage. ("Real floor shift")
    I'm using a heavy duty close ratio 3 speed top loader with the cane shift tower, 406 F-E.
    (A 'bolt-in'!)

    Impressive that you're altering the wheelbase slightly. I did that on a '56, moved rear forward 8". (it was hairy, but excessive; 4" to 6" is 'desirable')
     
  8. Lancer
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    Thanks Mike, we have not committed to a certain length to move the rear. Would like to hear more about why 4-6 inches is more desirable than 8". Is this due to the work involved or how the car handles?? Great to hear from another local guy who's been there done that, would like to talk more. Are you going to Eagle in three weeks??

    Yes, Bill is doing an amazing job on the axle.
     
  9. Lancer
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    A local guy has a couple of T10 four speeds that will fit the Y bell housing. Not a top loader, a side loader. Its an early H-1 casting. I'm not super familiar with these. Its a decent price but I dont want to jump if its not a great choice for the application. Those who know more about these, talk to me. Some pics are attached.

    He also has another thats a B-1 casting which I think is earlier, the stamp on it is 2-7-61.

    Which of these two would be a better choice.
     

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  10. Lancer
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    Here are photos of the other one I mentioned above.
     

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  11. 57Custom300
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    from Arizona

    I picked up a basket case T10 to run in my 63 Ford 406. Replaced what was needed and never had any problems with it. Broke other things but the trans always stayed together.
     
  12. hellerlj
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    I'd be concerned about buying a tranny from a guy that wears that shade of nail polish !!!!
     
  13. Lancer
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    Thats funny hellerlj.

    Good to hear 57Custom300
     
  14. Lancer
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    Just a quick plug for our new magazine. Get your copy. We have a small article about the Canned Monster.
     

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  15. ohv4d
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    Progress looks good. It looks like you could be ready in time to make the Y-Block shootout coming up in June. Should be some good running cars down there.
     
  16. belair
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    Keep at it. Things take longer than you think, don't they?
     
  17. ohv4d
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    I would look for what I believe is 66 or late internals. 2nd and 3rd gear on the main shaft back up to a shoulder. The early type had a radial bearing between 2nd and 3rd, These would get wear in the gear stack and jump out of gear on decel. The larger bolt pattern on the front was added in 1965.
     
  18. II FUNNY
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    You might want to change the title to Altered build...wheelbase changes and your front wheel choice don't jive with a Gas coupe or sedan build.

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  19. Lancer
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    Initial cut in on the gasser to make room for the tires. Moving the rear ahead slightly. Thanks to Matt L. for the help.
     

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  20. Lancer
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    I suppose technically its not a gasser anymore, more of an FX I guess. I'm no expert on these classes. Maybe someone could tell me what it would be classified as if in ran back in the day.
     
  21. II FUNNY
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    You would have ran in an Altered class. A,B,C, depending on weight to cubic inch...the FX classes were like S/S in the early 60's, but got blurry by the mid 60's when the AWB cars started running. Take a look at this website.. www.georgeklass.net it will explain it for ya, and show that full bodied cars also ran altered even if at a glance they look like a Gasser.

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  22. langy
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    Its all looking really good bud, I too have got the Y block bug, currently doing a 292, As for the Radir drag slicks I have the 900 x 15's on my Willys coupe and they are too hard for racing in my opinion, I'm gonna cut a tread in mine as use them for the road only.


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  23. Lancer
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    Langy, that is beautiful man. We'll also be running a tube bumper in the rear. Looks like the same wheels we'll be running on your ride as well. Those are some interesting wheelie bars. Look like lawn mower wheels on there. I have heard the same about the Hurst tires, heavy and hard, but they do look great.

    II Funny, ya, technically I guess it would be an Altered, but everyone would call it a gasser if they saw it. I'm not worried about it. The photo is from the site you referred me to, was listed under the Altered section.
     

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  24. langy
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    Thanks Lancer, the tube is a weight bar, the wheelie bars I made like they did in the 60's, rear wheels are ET's although i'm still looking for a pair of ARE mags to suit the front.
    I bought a pair of Hurst for racing but while they are way softer than the Radirs they are still a little on the hard side.
     
  25. Lancer
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    langy,
    Yes, exactly, we are planning on running the tube bar as ballast as well. That combined with moving the rear forward should help us pull the front wheels. So you're saying the Hurst are softer than the Radirs? I had heard the opposite.
     
  26. langy
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    Yeah the Hurst are definitely softer than the Radirs, The Radirs hold the car up even with no air in them !!!
     
  27. Lancer
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    Look what showed up today. American Rebel Wheels MFG. sponsored us these rad wheels. Cannot wait to see these mounted up and on the car. Need to get some Hurst Pie Crust for the back. What should I run on the front for tires?
     

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  28. powrshftr
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    Those look great.:)
    A Firestone 5.60 blackwall from Coker would look good up front,or if you want to run a radial up front that looks A little more vintage than some of the stuff out there today,try the Firestone F560 radial in a 165-15" size.I'm running a pair of them and they look good.I'm moving up from 135's to 165's,but you get the idea: ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1398921065.662966.jpg



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  29. Lancer
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    powrshftr, thanks for the info on the front tires.

    Here is a quick shot of the rear quarters as of now. Those mock up tires/wheels are only 27" tall. The real ones will be 30" tall.
     

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  30. Hey Lance, Enjoying your build.
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