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Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by Ryguy442, Sep 2, 2013.

  1. Ryguy442
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    Hey guys I recently started driving my 56 merc around and I'm have a problem out of the left front brakes. After driving it for about 15-20 mins the left front won't disengage, the pedal gets real stiff. It doesn't lock down to where it is locked up and won't move but it defiantly makes it hard to make the car take off. I noticed it was smoking when I got home from work today. Iv already replaced the wheel cylinder on that side and replaced all the hoses. Any ideas? Thanks guys!

    Ryan


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  2. 1971BB427
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    Have you tried backing off the adjustment? I'd do that first, and see if it stays backed off.
     
  3. Ryguy442
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    Yea I tried that its backed all the way off as it


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  4. 302GMC
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    Adjust the free play on the master, then re-adjust the brakes ...
     

  5. Did you replace the return springs? Shoes could be on backwards.
     
  6. 40FordGuy
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    Check the flex hoses,....if it's collapsing inside, the fluid return can be impaired, and the affected brake can "drag".

    4TTRUK
     
  7. He already replaced the hoses or I would agree to that being the probable cause.
     
  8. MrMike
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    Check the self adjusters for correct installation and make sure the adjusters are on the correct side
     
  9. elba
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    When you think you have tried everything, do this. Swap the shoes side to side and see if problem follows. If it doesn't, swap the drums. By doing this, you will probably find the problem or a good clue.
     
  10. Ryguy442
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    I'm goin to see if I can't get ahold of some new springs and see if that helps. Might go ahead and replace the shoes while I'm in there. If that doesn't help might swap drums from side to side


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  11. Ryguy442
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    How to I check the self adjusters?


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  12. elba
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    no self adjusters on a 56 Merc
     
  13. Ryguy442
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    Didnt think so


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  14. 1971BB427
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    If the shoes are one long pad and one short, then the long shoe goes towards the front. I doubt that would cause your problem though, as I've owned used cars that braked greta and found the shoes reversed. Check the shoes from side to side to ensure they are identical. It is possible the brake shoes might be mixed, or a wrong size, bad arc, etc.
    I'd be inclined to make sure the brake pedal has free play at the top, as if it doesn't the master might be holding pressure against the wheel cylinder. Just disconnect the pedal linkage, and see if it moves out farther. That will tell you if it was under pressure.
     
  15. Have you tried cracking open the bleeder to determine if there is pressure on that wheel??

    This would give a better idea of what you are dealing with, and where to look next.

    FWIW, the symptoms you describe are classic hose failure.

    Cosmo
     
  16. Ryguy442
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    A friend of mine suggest it could be some junk in the line not allowing fluid to return to the master.


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  17. JohnEvans
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  18. Ryguy442
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    Ok guys so I'm thinking its a heat issue of some sort. I just went out there and I rolled just fine. I know the exhaust runs on the opposite side of the brakes so I dont think that's it.

    Ryan


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  19. Ryguy442
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    So the cars been sitting a week or so and I noticed it was low on brake fluid I filled it and I have hardly no brakes now.
    No pressure on the pedal


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  20. barstowpo
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    Find where the fluid went and you'll find your problem. I had new front cylinders leak on my Merc.
     
  21. After all the clues mentioned, is the backing plate bent a bit and things are binding in there?
     
  22. 40FordGuy
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    "Short shoe" faces forward ...."long" shoe faces to the rear. I never forgot having to take apart an entire brake job, all the while having that lesson being talked in my ear.

    4TTRUK
     
  23. kcbeardclub
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    I have 2 early manuals for my '51, both original shop manuals, 1 says long shoe in front, short in back and the other says short in front, long in back. I have driven with them both ways and it brakes the best with long in back. I was told by an old school mechanic to think of it as a lady, short(small) in front and long (large) in back.

    As far as it not returning, I had a similar problem although it wasn't that bad, I fixed it by rubbing some anti-seize on the three contact points for each shoe, they rub on the dust plate.

    T
     
  24. ironhead68
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    I had a similar problem with one wheel on my truck.
    Turned out to be a cracked drum, almost impossible to see.
    Try a hammer test or switch sides and see.
     
  25. Rusty O'Toole
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    It sounds to me like the master cylinder not releasing pressure. There is a little hole in the master cylinder that lets off the pressure when the piston is all the way back. There must be a little clearance between the pedal rod and the piston to make sure it releases. If it does not, heat expansion will cause the brakes to apply themselves. In your case it seems the left front is the tightest brake.

    Could be pedal adjustment, bad master cylinder, a piece of crud or rubber in the fluid, or could be a collapsed rubber hose as others have mentioned. But the master is the place to look first.
     
  26. '41 Chev
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    All good advice and it obviously could be caused by several things. I'm betting is is the hose is bad on the inside and is not releasing all of the pressure OR, as Rusty said, the tiny port in the Mcyl bore is stopped up. Mose likey the port in the Mcyl is the problem.
     
  27. dadseh
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    To check clearance of the piston rubber cup to compensating hole, take a straightened paper clip and probe in the hole, feels solid is OK. Feels spongy and your cup is covering the hole.
     

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