We all have a brand we trust and are not easily swayed by the word SALE. I was under the impression that women have a gene that was previously though men do not have,,but it appears from this thread I was wrong,, The "ON SALE" gene does exist in some men. HRP
HA HA. That's funny right there. Well I can tell you that in my OT Nova race car, its the ONLY oil I use and my car NEVER has oil sledge. Heck I take the used oil out of this car to put in the tow vehicle, since its not in the car for more then 3 months at a time. Tow vehicle has no problem either. Oh and both are GM products. Other racers have experienced problems with other higher graded oils so I will keep to my "crap" Valvoline.
I worked at Exxon Research for 15 years. We tested lots of things concerning oils, additives, and other things. One test we did involved seeing if the "new (1985) " additives we put in the gas for keeping the "new" fuel injectors clean, were dropping out and getting in the crankcase, and perhaps running bearings dry. There had been reports/rumors of this. But what I learned from this is that if you do regular oil changes, 3-5000 miles, you dont' get any sludge, or any appreciable bearing wear. They tried to get the oils to fail, by using cheap stuff, under-additized oil, extending the change interval to 7K miles, etc. Nothing worked. Of course they didn't NOT change the oil, but they did this for 100K miles with different oils and additives and none failed. The oil problem with ALL Pennsylvania crude oil based oils, including Valvoline and Pennzoil, was that PA based oil had a higher paraffin content than Texas based oils. SO....if you didn't change your oil regularly, or at 10K miles or more, esp. with lots of city driving, Yeah you'd get sludge build up. A bit more than the Tx based stuff. But that isn't a concern for folks who even moderately take care of their cars.
I have used Valvoline all my life and never had engine sludge buildup.In fact,in my SS monte carlo a local mechanic swore someone rebuildt the engine with 87k on it at the time.It was that clean.
Aside from the flat tappet engines needin' zinc deal, there it is.... it don't matter what brand yer' usin' , long as ya' change it at a decent interval.... I dig the Valvoline, Brad Penn n' Kendall (when I could still find it).
You, sir, are fulla sludge VR-1 is one of the best oils to use for classic flat-tappet cams, hands down, and as many have said, we buy it up when on sale. Use what you want in your LS- LT1 lawnmower, but quit trying to spread BULLSHIT to the rest of use who have done our homework and research
I'm presuming that 1st is lowest build-up and first is highest? Has anyone suggested my favourite line yet... "I'm goin to make some popcorn"? LOL MY wife's of topic '94 Escort just passed the 415000 km (249000 miles) mark and besides a water pump, alternator, timing belt and tensioner I just change the oil 2x a year (beginning of spring and fall) and I consider it just broken in. Going to keep and see how far it travels. Use Quaker State most of the time.
Stop saying this. They do meet dextos certification. They may not pay for the licensing of the seal. But they do meet the requirements. It's right there on the back of the Jug. All you have to do is read. Or you can get the info here: http://www.valvoline.com/promos/dexos.jsp VR-1 is not listed, but I wouldn't expect it to be. It's meant for off-road and racing use as marketed. But you made a broad statement about all valvoline, which isn't true.
Today. Just got to the point that I can pass inspection and I am going to get it out for a quick cruise this afternoon, if all goes as planned. Of for inspection tomorrow and tags on saturday. The cold and snow didn't use to set me back as much as it does these days. When I got real cold my central shock absorber and my turn signals don't work as well as they used to. Havoline is or was a Texas based motor oil, they used to claim that it came from Mississippi sand. I haven't decided if the valvoline sale is going have any effect on my purchase. I still prefer Castrol. But it is tempting. Something just crossed my mind, if we change oil whenever there is a sale maybe we don't change oil often enough.
As others have said, VR1 is one of the last remaining oils on the market to have adequate supply of zinc for flat-tapped engines. All the Diesel oils (Delvac, Rotella) that used to have adequate zinc and were a cheap "hidden gem" of hot-rod oil now have the same standards as oils for gas engines. That changed in roughly 2008/09. VR1 is pretty much it. As for the comment on sludge, most of those rationalisms are left-overs from the olden days of oil - motor oil literally all comes out of the same refineries these days, unless it's the NextGen recycled stuff. Literally manufacturers add their own "blend" of detergents and additives to the same flow of oil, but the oil is oil and it's all from the same place, unlike the olden days of Pennsylvania refineries, paraffin oil, etc. Even Pennzoil doesn't smell nasty like it used to.
I've had people tell me they do not like Valvoline because it gets dirty too quick. I tell them that an oil that does not get dirty is failing to take the bad stuff to the oil filter. I've used Valvoline for many years. Never have I experienced any of my engines showing sludge build up when disassembled.
After being a motorcycle mechanic at a dealership for 5 years and seeing the sludge left behind in air cooled motors with only 3000 miles on them.....I haven't used any brand of oil like Havoline, Quaker State or Pennzoil. All of those left a grey sludge in the tops of the motors after only a few thousand miles. These were the customers who refused to buy the higher priced factory oil or Castrol GTX we sold and recommended. Those two oils and Mobil 1 never left any sludge in the air cooled motors as long as I was there. I used regular Valvoline for a few years when I was co-owner of a mechanic shop and we never had any problems with it and I would choose it over the other 3 I listed previously. It was so bad I could pull a valve cover to do a valve adjustment and tell what brand of oil they had been using. The aluminum inside the high mileage bikes using those oils would be stained a dark brown and have the sludge. The ones that stuck to the Castrol,Kawasaki, Honda or Mobil had motors that still looked new inside.
Keep checking the Valvoline web site for offers and coupons. Last year they had a coupon for $50.00 off on a case of VR-1 synthetic.
I would bet that is exactly why you have a negative attitude about Valvoline. PCV related or lack there of. I've used it for 44 years now. That says something.
Oil brand vs Oil brand Spark plug brand vs Spark plug brand Chev vs Ford Filter brand vs Filter brand Can't we all agree, that we disagree?
Just to be clear, I don't have a negative attitude toward Valvoline. Just wanted to point out that the individual who mentioned sludge issues with non-GM spec oil in the LS and LT-series engines might want to consider the PCV system as a contributing factor. Personally, I like Valvoline but prefer Brad Penn.
TxTurbo, I got a deal on a couple of cases or Aeroshell one time and ran it for a lot of miles in my aircooled engine. I dont know if you can even get it any more but when I pulled down for inspection your could have eaten out of that engine. Preyy good stuff. I have never liked the smell of an engine running havoline and have pulled several of them apart. That stuff made me believe that motor oil really is decaying dinosaurs.
I've used Valvoline for years and never had a sludge problem, Castrol on the other hand I wouldn't use to lube door hinges. As much as I hate the O'Reilly's near me I'm gonna have to hold my breath and go in and grab me a case.
is this price just in stores cause online its coming up at 5.99 a quart? there are no stores in my area
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