Tech Week Few bead roller ideas

Carb-Otto · Mar 10, 2012

Here are few ideas and bead roller improvements Ive done through the years.

My bead roller is same Made in China (or somewhere around there) tool, that almost everyone else has. You can buy similar from Summit, Woodward Fab, Eastwood, Harbour Freight, etc etc, they are all the same with different stickers on them.

[FONT=&quot]Mostly it is CRAP but with little improvements it is good enough for me. Set comes with quite many pairs of dies, does not really make sense to start to do them yourself. Also, frame is good startingpoint for better bead roller. I wanted to do this most simple way that came in to my mind.
So I took thickest pieces of steel I found laying around, cut that wedge on the ends, and welded them on. This made frame very much stronger. Before this, frame twisted and moved badly, which affected on the bead.

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[FONT=&quot]Another improvement that I made was this steering wheel. Much easier to control metal piece that you are working on. Don't know which car that steering wheel came from, possibly some big truck.

[/FONT][FONT=&quot]When I roll something with my bead roller, it is clamped to a table, not on some stool

Some rattlecan paint makes it look nice

[/FONT][FONT=&quot]Ok, thats all about bead roller and its frame. Lets make some dies for it!

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Carb-Otto · Mar 10, 2012

[FONT=&quot]Shape of wanted bead was copied, and I made these simple tools.

[/FONT][FONT=&quot]I bought some nylon rod, there wasnt hole in the center, so it was made first
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[/FONT][FONT=&quot]You guys know for sure whats gonna happen next

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[/FONT] Thats right
Now we just roll it in. Kind of "no-brainer"...

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Carb-Otto · Mar 10, 2012

[FONT=&quot]This is what I got;

In this picture above, they've been used few times.

[/FONT] And here is what can be done with these dies

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I hope youll get few ideas from these photos, throw in your own input, and get your latest project done!
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Take care,
Otto

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moefuzz · Mar 10, 2012

Hi,

Adding extra strength to the offshore bead rollers is probably the best thing you can do as the neck is pretty long/deep.

Two Thumbs Up!

Thanks for the tech, the average guy should take heed and realize that things like this, *like most offshore bead rollers (English wheels too) could really be improved with extra rigidity, they flex too much and too often.

...Not sure about the steering wheel but it looks similar to a 50's British car? Austin? Triumph? Henway? -but certainly not a Reliant Robyn........... I guess the overall size and the spline/shaft would tell for sure as that style of wheel was made all throughout Europe...

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moefuzz · Mar 10, 2012

Almost forgot to mention, great job on pics of the cutter....

moe

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charleyw · Mar 10, 2012

Great idea on the cutter and that is a cool wheel.

brady1929 · Mar 10, 2012

cool die

cactus1 · Mar 10, 2012

Nice! Is that aluminum or steel you are using with those dies?

CTFuzz · Mar 10, 2012

Nice job on that..............What gauge is the metal in the picture?

rosco gordy · Mar 10, 2012

aw rite!! good job

boutlaw · Mar 10, 2012

Great tech. Neat way to make a custom die.

NealinCA · Mar 10, 2012

cactus1 said: ↑

Is that aluminum or steel you are using with those dies?
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My question as well. What thickness material will the nylon dies handle?

Neat idea. Thanks.

Neal

Ebbsspeed · Mar 10, 2012

Nicely done, I like the nylon die trick.

The steering wheel might also be from an Essex Tri-directional, they looked similar.

chevy3755 · Mar 10, 2012

please tell us more........

Babyearl · Mar 10, 2012

Ebbsspeed said: ↑

Nicely done, I like the nylon die trick.

Like everyone else here,, we need more info. Metal type and thickness.
Very impressive, Profile appears to me to be the beltline of a 30-31 closed car. I like it,,
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fastcar1953 · Mar 10, 2012

cool idea.

biggeorge · Mar 10, 2012

Very nice. please more input on the dies. What type of nylon rod did you use?
Thanks George

Carb-Otto · Mar 10, 2012

moefuzz said: ↑

...Not sure about the steering wheel but it looks similar to a 50's British car? Austin? Triumph? Henway? -but certainly not a Reliant Robyn........... I guess the overall size and the spline/shaft would tell for sure as that style of wheel was made all throughout Europe...
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Ebbsspeed said: ↑

The steering wheel might also be from an Essex Tri-directional, they looked similar.
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Thanks for suggestions, keep 'em coming, I really don't know... It was cheap and looked good, so why not.

Babyearl said: ↑

Ebbsspeed said: ↑

Very impressive, Profile appears to me to be the beltline of a 30-31 closed car. I like it,,
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That's right! Made it bit plump, but it came more close to stock bead on the corner of this...

Here it is under work, you'll get the idea.

NealinCA said: ↑

My question as well. What thickness material will the nylon dies handle?

Neat idea. Thanks.

Neal
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CTFuzz said: ↑

Nice job on that..............What gauge is the metal in the picture?
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cactus1 said: ↑

Nice! Is that aluminum or steel you are using with those dies?
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No aluminum... but can't remember which it is, 1 millimeter or 0,75 mm in the picture. They're equal to 18 gauge and 21 gauge.

On the picture above, you can see belt line turning from doorpost to backwall. On the corner I used 0,75mm (21 gauge) and everywhere else 1mm steel (18 gauge). "Everywhere else" means here everything under window on that pickup backwall.

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Carb-Otto · Mar 10, 2012

biggeorge said: ↑

Very nice. please more input on the dies. What type of nylon rod did you use?
Thanks George
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Ummm... I just bought it from company here in Finland that provides industrial products manufacturing, maintenance, construction, warehousing etc. They have nylon rod in few diameters, about two inches, three, four... I quess not five. Some thickness' has 22mm (0,8580 inch) hole in the center, not all.

Here are few more photos -it's a bonus! - of other dies I made about three years ago. These were my first attempts on this...

Because I don't have my own metal lathe, it is good for me to do tool at home, and when I have access to my friends lathe, I can start working right away!
Also, I like it how it is accurate.

oj · Mar 10, 2012

Very neat trick, the concept of shaping the dies in the lathe by clamping a pattern into the tool holder is eye opening, thanks.
When forming with18ga do you need to clamp the very outside of the dies to keep them from spreading? It takes a lot of pressure to form steel and those dies must be about 2 1/2 to 3" wide, i have steel dies that have a double 1/8" bead and i've seen times when the outside bead wasn't as crisp as the inside bead.
Thanks for posting, oj

40Standard · Mar 10, 2012

great tech, thanks

Mr48chev · Mar 10, 2012

Great tech and I just happen to have a buddy with a lathe.

Black Primer · Mar 10, 2012

Thanks for all the great ideas. Could you show the tool holder setup on the lathe?

60 ford · Mar 10, 2012

Great idea, Thanks

fitzee · Mar 11, 2012

great stuff.. will be tring this for sure..

heatnbeat · Mar 11, 2012

Thanks for the tip on cutting the beading roller

niceguyede · Mar 13, 2012

That is sweet! We have a 5 foot x 4 inch stick of delrin at the shop to make bead roller dies. I have cut several on the lathe, but never even thought about cutting them like that! Bravo my man!

Btw, for those asking, Delrin is what the nylon is called, google it.

shep_911 · Mar 13, 2012

Love it

trammel · Mar 13, 2012

Good job. You now add a new demention of things that can be done with your post.

Carb-Otto · Mar 13, 2012

Thank you all for your positive comments!

oj said: ↑

When forming with18ga do you need to clamp the very outside of the dies to keep them from spreading? It takes a lot of pressure to form steel and those dies must be about 2 1/2 to 3" wide, i have steel dies that have a double 1/8" bead and i've seen times when the outside bead wasn't as crisp as the inside bead.
Thanks for posting, oj
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You're right, outer edge is not as sharp as inner edge of the bead. I rolled it couple times to give it more exact shape...

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