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  1. noboD
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    I've never heard of it, Mart. And it's not very good looking, way out of purportion. Holy crap, it has solid tires and no steel springs!!
     
  2. Georgia Eyston's "Thunderbolt", 1937 .......

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  3. mart3406
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    Yeah, it's a bit weird looking alright. What's
    interesting and even more odd about about
    it, is that for suspension it used some sort of
    rubber (and I assume, pneumatic) springs.
    (Could this be the first use of "air bags" for
    an automobile suspension??) The manufacturer
    claimed that even though the car came with
    solid, non-pneumatic rubber tires (promoted
    as a reliability and safety feature) that this
    suspension still gave the car a soft, comfortable
    ride.

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  4. Vintageride
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    There was a truck tandem suspension on White trucks from the sixties that used torsion rods pivoting at a huge rubber bushing. The name was "Velvet Ride". It relied on only the "give" of the rubber bushing. We had one tractor that was fitted with that suspension. It traveled many many many miles with no trouble. I suppose that setup could be another option for "rubber" technology. No air bags and quite simple. I assume it was just to expensive to enjoy widespread use.

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  5. jimi'shemi291
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    This '15 Bartlett is really fascinating, not in the least for its gamble on engineering "innovations" (read that gadgets). I looked around a bit, and the name seems to appear NOWHERE. Anybody know if it lasted more than one year? Or was it HERE TODAY, GONE TOMORROW???
     
  6. jimi'shemi291
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    Found some more info, almost under my own nose! HJManiac (Mike) posted the following on Jan. 29, '10 (Post #2118) over on the thread, "We ALL Love a DARE! PIX of TRULY Extinct Makes? Sounds as though the Bartlett -- despite its several engineering gadgets -- was otherwise largely an assembled car. Also interesting: It was around all the way from 1914 through 1917, though numbers were quite low. This seems to increase the probability that the Bartlett is today EXTINCT, for all intents and purposes. Sorry for the RED Xs; couldn't get 'em to display!


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    <HR style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #e5e5e5; COLOR: #e5e5e5" SIZE=1><!-- / icon and title --><!-- message --><TABLE border=1 width="100%"><TBODY><TR><TD width=195>BARTLETT</TD><TD width=97>1914-1917</TD><TD>Canadian Bartlett Automobile Co. Ltd., Toronto and Stratford, Ont. Production of over 200 tourers and roadsters, and up to 400 trucks. The first seven cars had Northway engines; the balance had Le Roi engines. The later cars were a composite of different U.S. parts, ie. Kelsey wheels, McCord radiators, Britnell frames, Allis-Chalmers electrical systems, etc. </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

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  7. 59bones
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    Here is an old photo from the archives.

    Major Seagrave and his Sunbeam "Golden Arrow" on Daytona Beach in 1929.
     

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  8. Bigcheese327
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    Here's one from Bay City, Michigan via a Facebook group called "Memories of Bay City":

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    Anybody recognize the car Miss Bay City is lounging against?

    -Dave
     
  9. ehdubya
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    I think it's a 29 or 30 Desoto, the thin radiator shell is pretty much unique to mopars of the period.
     
  10. swi66
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    Bartlett
    À peu près personne ne connaît la marque Bartlett .​
    Almost no one knows the brand Bartlett .
    Nous l'avons choisie pour représenter tout un pan de l'industrie qui ne dépendait pas des États-Unis et qui était le fait de fonds et d'expertise purement canadienne.​
    We have chosen to represent an entire segment of the industry that did not depend on the United States and was the result of funds and expertise uniquely Canadian.
    La Canadian Bartlett Automobile Co. Ltd, qui avait pignon sur rue à Toronto et à Stratford en Ontario, a fonctionné de 1914 à 1917.​
    The Canadian Automobile Co. Ltd Bartlett, who had set up shop in Toronto and Stratford, Ontario, operated from 1914 to 1917.
    La production, durant ces quatre années, aurait avoisiné les 200 automobiles et 400 camions.​
    Production during these four years, would have been close to 200 cars and 400 trucks.
    http://books.google.com/books?id=1G...nepage&q=bartlett automobile Co. Ltd.&f=false

    BARTLETT 1914-1917 Canadian Bartlett Automobile Co. Ltd., Toronto and Stratford, Ont. Production of over 200 tourers and roadsters, and up to 400 trucks. The first seven cars had Northway engines; the balance had Le Roi engines. The later cars were a composite of different U.S. parts, ie. Kelsey wheels, McCord radiators, Britnell frames, Allis-Chalmers electrical systems, etc.
     
  11. Bigcheese327
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    Funny, my first thought had been '31 Plymouth, so it sounds like MoPar is on the right track. Although I'm not finding an exact match to a DeSoto yet.

    -Dave
     
  12. mart3406
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    from Canada

    Barrymore yacht in the harbor at Havana
    Cuba - March, 1927

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  13. I've seen you guys ID some pretty obscure stuff, so maybe someone can help me with this phaeton. This old family photo has been around forever but no one can seem to remember what make and model this car was.

    My grandfather is sitting behind the wheel and he was born in 1910...so that should give you some idea of the age of the car/photo. He looks to be anywhere from about 8 to 11 years old. (He's also the guy sitting on the 34 Ford bumper in my avatar.)

    The photo was taken near Weslaco, TX. His grandmother is standing on the running board.
     

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  14. mart3406
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    Havana Taxis!

    Pics 1) & 2) - Two different models
    of 'Walker Electric' taxis - Havana
    Cuba - circa 1905

    Pic 3) - Taxis parked at the 'Parque
    Central' hotel in Havana Cuba - circa
    1927.

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  15. It's been pointed out that it has 10 spoke wheels on the front and 12 spoke wheels on the back.

    Maybe a Cleveland?
     
  16. ehdubya
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    Dave I just had a quick look in The Standard Catalog of Chrysler and it looks like a 29-31. There's a confusing variety of models each of those years with and without the thin shell, cowl lamps and twin side mounts but it looks close to this one which I think is a 31 CF eight so maybe a 31 SA six as the earlier ones had a two row bumper.
    -Andy

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  17. One way to pick the Plymouths of that era is they did not have cowl lamps or surcingles.
     
  18. MrModelT
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    It is defiantly a 1931 DeSoto SA Roadster:
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  19. Bigcheese327
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    And they say this is a GM town!

    -Dave
     
  20. Chris Garner
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  21. I presume you meant definitely but I understand you are defiant about it.
     
  22. ehdubya
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    :) defying misidentification.

    Here's an interesting custom from 1936 courtesy of Motor Life Blog

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    I wonder what it began as :confused:
     
  23. MrModelT
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    lol!

    You would be correct....damn it! :D
     
  24. mart3406
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    600-hp 'Winton Distillate Engine'-powered
    Union Pacific M-1000 Streamlined train
    on display in
    Chicago, at the 1933-'34
    "Century of Progress Exposition"


    Photo 1 Caption:
    http://www.railarchive.net/centprog/up_m10000.htm
    "At the 1934 Exposition the Union Pacific
    Railroad displayed its lightweight, streamlined
    train delivered that year by Pullman-Standard,
    the M-10000. The three-car articulated train
    was powered by a 600-horsepower distillate
    engine manufactured by the General Motors
    subsidiary, the Winton Engine Company of
    Cleveland. The engine powered only the first
    truck, via General Electric traction motors on
    each axle, on the power-and-baggage car.
    The train was painted Armour yellow (still
    the Union Pacific's trademark color) with leaf
    brown accent, separated by a red stripe.
    The
    M-10000 made a 13,000-mile exhibition
    tour across the United States that included
    the Century of Progress Exposition, attracting
    considerable public attention as the first train
    of its kind to operate in North America.
    Afterward the M-10000 was placed in service
    between Kansas City and Salina, and renamed
    the
    City of Salina in conformity with the Union
    Pacific's fleet of "City" streamliners which it
    pioneered, beginning with the similar-appearing
    (with large front air intake grill and turret cab)
    but diesel-powered M-10001 that entered service
    later in 1934 as the
    City of Portland. As an
    articulated trainset, in which successive cars
    shared the same set of wheels, the M-10000
    could not add extra cars to accommodate
    increased traffic or take on sleeping cars for
    overnight service. It was, therefore, assigned
    to the short daytime run through Kansas.
    Although the M-10000 was a groundbreaking
    idea, its fame was soon eclipsed by the
    Burlington Route's diesel-powered
    Pioneer
    Zephyr of 1935. Unlike the
    Zephyr it was not
    preserved; since it was made of aluminum it
    was scrapped in 1942 to contribute to the
    World War II arms effort.
    Geron Marcom
    provided M-10000 at the Century of Progress
    Exposition. The photographer was a fellow
    Greyhound bus driver with whom Mr. Marcom
    visited the Exposition. Of further interest, in
    the background at left, is the "Tower of Value"
    in which Nash Motors displayed both Nash and
    LaFayette automobile models.
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    Photo 2 Caption: "Union Pacific M-10000
    at Chicago World's Fair -1934
    "
    www.flickr.com/photos/15283643@N04/3354407543/
    "Union Pacific M-10000 aluminum alloy, gas-electric
    streamliner on display at the Century of Progress.
    With sleeper added to original 3-unit articulated
    consist. Built by Pullman in 1934. Nash "Tower of
    Glass" automated parking tower in background.
    "
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    Pics 3, 4. 5, & 6: Union Pacific M1000 Brochures
    from the "Century of Progress" exposition
    - Chicago - 1934

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  25. mart3406
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    Nash "Tower of Value" pavilion at the 'Century
    of Progress Exposition
    ' - Chicago - 1933-34.
     

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  27. bockius
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    Here's a nice one. I work at Bosch (in the Netherlands), presumably this is from 1914, when they opened a magneto plant in Plainfield, New Jersey. The front car has leather plates with NJ on 'm.

    Can anyone ID these cars ? Would love to know, this picture is picked for a 20ft wide and 9ft high printed visual in our company restaurant, so being able to shed some light on it would be cool !
     

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  28. ehdubya
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    Nice pic Bockius, the second car looks like a Turcat Mery.
     
  29. The37Kid
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    GREAT PHOTO! I think the touring car is a Rambler from around 1908, note the canvas covers over the tufted leather upholstery. The car behind it may be a Stoddard-Dayton. I'm sending this over to David at The Old Motor.com he can confirm my guess. Check out his website for more great period photos. Best wishes, Bob:)
     

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