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How critical is valve spring installed height of a hot street flathead V-8?

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by blown49, Feb 9, 2011.

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  1. Very critical

    19 vote(s)
    79.2%
  2. Not very critical

    4 vote(s)
    16.7%
  3. Don' worry about it

    1 vote(s)
    4.2%
  1. blown49
    Joined: Jul 25, 2004
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    How critical do you feel it is and why?????

    Jim
     
    Last edited: Feb 9, 2011
  2. RAY With
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    Posts: 3,132

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    Any clearance on a hot rod motor is critical. If you have coil bind it will destroy your cam and if not enough spring pressure for the lift can cause valve float. Specifications and clearance issues are a must for all well built motors.
     
  3. VOODOO ROD & CUSTOM
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  4. Merlin
    Joined: Apr 9, 2005
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    from Inman, SC

    Ditto!
     

  5. thunderbirdesq
    Joined: Feb 15, 2006
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    A flathead is a V8 engine and installed height is as important as it would be in any other circumstance.
     
  6. telecustom
    Joined: Feb 17, 2009
    Posts: 336

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    from Langey, BC

    Is your Flathead engine a good place to cut corners?
     
  7. it is absolutely critical.

    no less important than proper valve to head clearance, proper oil clearances, or ring end gap, or......

    how important to YOU is building your engine to survive its specific use?
     
  8. blown49
    Joined: Jul 25, 2004
    Posts: 2,212

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    Thanks for all of your responses to the poll. I agree wth the 11 (73.3%) as to very critical and for the 3 (20% not critical) and the 1 (6.67% don't worry about it) I offer the following information.

    I've done a lot of research on this subject and know that the original spring heights recommended by Ford were 37 to 40 #'s closed spring pressure with 0.213" installed height on the 32-50 valve setups and 0.189" installed heights on the 51-53 valve setups.

    Many are now using Chevy stainless valves in their flathead motors that are about 0.086" longer than the Ford valves. Not only is the overall stem longer but the dimension from the center of the valve seat face to the loc or keeper groove is also longer. As a result shims are required to obtain the correct installed height.

    The base dimension from the valve seat center to the top of the horsehoe guide retainer is nominally 0.213" measured on a block by Vergil on the HAMB, on a cut-away block he has with replaceable seats , and myself on a late model block I have with no replaceble intake or exhaust seats. This dimension sets the top of the valve spring seating surface 0.2290" below this dimension on the guide shoulder.

    I tested a Isky 185G spring and found the following:

    Installed height 2.120"=50 #'s(very close to the Lincoln-Zepher springs @ 0.213" installed height)
    Installed height 2.100"=55 #'s
    Installed height 2.060"=60 #'s
    Installed height 2.030"-65 *'s
    Installed height 2.020"=70 #'s
    Installed height 2.000"=75 #'s

    As you can see a few thousands of an inch has a great impact on seat presure. To me it says it's very critical.

    On higher lift cams the spring pressure increases dramatically when the valve is wide open creating greater load on the cam lobes promoting faster wear. Too little seat pressure promotes valve float at lower RPM's than higher spring pressure. Correct installed spring height is a trade off between these two factors.

    Thanks again for your feedback.

    Jim

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  9. As said above ==== Spring Rate is just as important !!! >>>>.
     

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