Features VINTAGE SPRINT CAR PIC THREAD, 1965 and older only please.

To me , 50% of the frame and/or roll cage- is the soul of the car. Original parts from there is icing on the cake.

I'd settle for 25% if nobody were looking! LOL

 

Not sure on third car. The car that Greg had built to be the #1 was said to be a spare frame they had at the time but he never used it. He had Mark Randol & John Layne put the car together as the #1.

Curt Grogan

 

Thanks Curt, that would coincide with what the article in the USAC annual says. The #92 of 1967 probably became the backup/spare. Wonder if parts and pieces of it didn't eventually end up in this car:

 

That's a question for Dougie or Joe!

 

This is always an interesting topic. Blackie Suede's edmunds midget has an interesting history related to this. Tattersall won the midget championship in the Honker II Stroud Edmunds. This is the restored yellow #3. Now during the championship year there were a few races that Tattersall competing in and earned championship points driving the Lithgow Offy, the car Blackie now has. Does that mean the Edmunds Blackie has can be considered Tattersal's Championship car also? Very gray.

 

There has always been drivers championship points and car owner points. So I would say no, as it didn't accumulate enough points to be a championship car. Drivers, on the other hand, could drive as many different cars as they wanted, their points were seperate.

 

But I agree that it is a grey area. To put it another way ; championships are awarded to flesh and blood and the machinery used is essentially just a means to get there. So does a frame change on a car owners championship winning car make it less than a championship car????

 

Certainly an interesting point. Individual races would be different. As would a chassis change during the offseason. In the case of the Dunseth car, it never ran as the Cheesman car(to my knowledge) and therefore shouldn't really be represented as the 1958 Midwest Championship car.

 

We're all having fun with this one -- it's a great topic. Generally speaking, I believe the frame is the car -- but you better have more than 50% or there will be two legitimate claims on the same car. But the most important point is this: Do everything you can and never give up in your search for the TRUTH regarding what you have -- right down to the last Dzus button. Emails, phone calls, plane rides, books, articles, photos -- and on and on. Then, it is what it is. One of my cars is "heavily restored", but undeniably has the original 1964 frame. When I'm at the track or at a show and someone says "What car is that?", my answer is always "Can you give me five minutes while I answer your question?" If they can't, they don't deserve an answer. If they can, I tell them the whole story. After telling them the whole story -- the well-researched TRUTH as best I know it -- they can come to their own conclusions and put the car into whatever "box" they want to -- it makes no difference to me.

 

I agree with everything that has been said. To me the frame is the car also. Bodies get torn up, axles get bent, motor plates get changed but the Majority of the frame should be the one that ran, not the spare that sat in the rafters for 40+ years.

Rootie I agree with you about the car owner points and driver points, but it is still cool that we can say Tatersall drove this car to win his championship.

My garage is starting to look like a 60's midget race shop. What a view!

 

Just to add a bit of OT comment .. It seems that Stoud had a number of different Edmunds that were named the "Honker II" .. both single tube & space frame chassis.

Add to that the history of the car that's now "Down Under" has beome muddled, because of that.

 

After laughing at your post , forgot to ask what kind of tranny etc do you have in there? Would like to put a clutch and in and out box (already have it) in my sprint car this winter, but a trans would be even better. Wonder how you other guys have hooked a trans to your torque tube...

 

Hugh, I'd look into the dirt modifieds from the north east,if I remember right some ran a three speed trans with torque tubes,(they still might),after a while Bert transmissions were a hot set up, you might check with them also.....Rich

 

The Midwest Old Timers ran at Mt Lawn Speedway today. Here's a shot I took of Joshua in the Ellison car. You shoulda seen the smile when he took the bandana off.....and a good time was had by all.
HG

 

I've posted this before, but Nance (and I'm sure others) use to sell a T/T adapter for the later Chevy 3 speed, I would think there's still some floating around. If not, it wouldn't be hard to fab one up if you're handy with machine tools. If you prefer a 4 speed, Patricks has a T/T adapter for the old Saggy.

 

Thanks for the fine pictures Gene.. I'm pretty fond of the "cocked" pictures you took!

 

I have one of the Nance castings for this conversion if someone needs it.

 

hugh m....The trasmission is a 4 speed 'Rocket' Ford box from a RS 2000 Escort.(they also put them behind the 2.0 Pinto)It is a bit long,but I have a plan.......

 

Hey Gene, ya' forgot to mention the green flag was waved for the vintage guys at Mt. Lawn-

Did you get a pic of bro haulin' that big 39 car into 4? More pics if ya' got 'em (know you do)

Carl

 

Incase any of you didn't hear., Shane Hmiel took a bad ride in a Champ car at Terre Haute Qualifying last night. We got the word while we were getting the Vintage cars ready at the Burg.

They airlifted him out. There saying No permanent brain damage..

Like him or not, (I do) say a prayer for him. He's gonna need it.

If there is a "worst" way to take a hit in a Sprinter, it's from straight above the driver.

WARNING: This video will make you flentch. TRUST ME.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wm8vv25-jY0

 

Well..as a matter of fact. Here's Andy giving it a twist. He even let me take some laps.
HG

 

Here is a mug shot of the characters at Mt Lawn Saturday 10-9-10.
HG

 

I am a fan of Hmeil and hope he can recover from that. The guy was unbeatable on the pavement this year.

Mt Lawn looked like a lot of fun. Can't wait to run with you guys next year.

 

If he hit like that in a sprint car he wouldn't be alive.

 

Thanks for the replies, had little hope of finding a Nance piece...that crash was horrible... hope he recovers.

 

Don't see how that would matter. Champ car and sprint car cage/chassis construction is nearly identical, other than the overall length.
A direct hit on the top of the cage is never good, but it shouldn't have collapsed like that.
Godspeed, Shane.

 

thanks to HARLEY GENE and Shaw... got to make laps in the red #10 sprinter this weekend at the mt. lawn event...usually richcraft mike's ride, he threw me the wheel and said go gas it up...was killer! That was a neat track with some great history...








T.Hilton

 

Most champ car cages are higher than sprint cars.

 

May or may not be true, but the cage disintegrated. At that point, it doesn't matter how high it was to begin with...

 

Who, built that car ????