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Neglected-Overlooked V8s

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by F-ONE, Mar 13, 2010.

  1. xafalcongs
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    That and INDY Cylinder Heads are making a lot of cool parts for them, to include a new block.
     
  2. RichFox
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    If you haven't allready seen it.
     

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  3. gas4blood
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    Cadillac flathead.[​IMG] I have a 1917 Caddy engine and trans waiting for me to do something with. It's physically about as big as a 392 Hemi.

    Danged picture was too big to fit.....
     
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  4. frank spittle
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    A '70s 6.3 Mercedes V-8 is a badass engine and awesome looking. I was working for a Mercedes dealership when they were new and just loved to get one in for service. When I was finished I always took it out and "blew it out". If it could have talked I know it would have thanked me because the owner never did that. They had 4-speed automatics and would burn rubber all the way through 2nd. People would hear it and be looking for a Muscle Car, not having a clue it was the Mercedes.
     
  5. kwoodyh
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    215 Buick, all aluminum and strokable using a 300 crank, 1/2 a V8 Pontiac slant 4, there is a sweet little red phone booth early T in Oklahoma (I think?) with a Cushman metermaid three wheeler bed! Last I seen it had a P4B Edelbrock intake cut and sealed up to use only half the ports!
     
  6. Ned Ludd
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    I'd like to see some of those with no computer: four Weber IDAs and a proper distributor. Each engine will require its own way of de-computerization, like finding a distributor off something else that'll run off the back of one of the cams, say. One would have to be creative.

    I don't know Audi V8s, but I rather like the old fives. It's a different engineering mind-set, though, pre-disposable. With the right cam(s) and exhaust a five can make some lovely noises. You won't mistake it for a V8 but it has much the same aural appeal.

    I'm not so sure. Guys in the UK used to swop in Rovers, but nowadays there are specialists who seem to have got the Stag V8 working properly. It was a cool concept, and contemporary Triumph fours were clever enough to be Saab's engine of choice for many years. The V8 was a victim of '70s Leyland musical project finances, so it's actually surprising it got to production at all! And obviously the development potential of that engine has never really been explored: a V8 sharing a lot of late-'70s Saab 2.3 bits might be very interesting indeed.
     
  7. How about one from the Standard Motor Company of England?

    This is the Standard Flying V8. 2.7 litres, 75 bhp and English. Note the exhaust ports in the valley - a la Cadillac.

    An interesting fact about the engine is that when Raymond Mays (more known for his Ford affiliation) decided to produce a sports car bearing his name he chose to use the Standard V8 not the Ford.

    [​IMG]
     
  8. carcrazyjohn
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    Neglected and overlooked V-8 that you can get in a junkyard are olds 307 .chevy 305 ,Thats all I can think of as you stroll the u pull it yard , Many 2.8 are another odd ball .
     
  9. ironfly28
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    THAT PACKARD IS COOL!!!!!!! my dad had 32 3 window with a packard v-8 and lasalle trans. it was a stock motor he said he'd get 100 out of it consistently ar rhe drags and hardly ever have to tinker with it.

    I had a 64 barracuda with a 273 it was a hell of alot fun but we worked it over pretty good.

    other v8s i'd like to see more of are the pontiac 287 and cad 390 and 32-36 ford flatties.

    how about a cord v-8 or a curtis ox-5
     
  10. I had a 1963 Tatra aircooled V-8 from a 603 for a while.
    It's only 2500 cc (about 153 cui) and has 95 HP , but it nice, alloy, and only 200 a 250 lbs light.
    It's nice in a T- bucket, beetle or buggy.
    Probably not easy to find in the US, but here in Europe they are for sale sometimes and are cheap and they are called Hemi's
     
  11. ChryslerRodder
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    Didn't Pontiac have a 421 and 428? I seem to remember that tho I may be wrong.
     
  12. AntiBling
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    I'm gonna put a Cadillac V8-6-4 in a hot rod, cause I'm a f'in rebel and NOBODY has swapped that motor into anything. Big whoop wanna fight about it.
     
  13. Undercover Customs
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    Hot Rod deluxe mag just built a 307, they call it a stroked 283. Puts out 400 horse with a real decent torque curve.
     
  14. 500 single
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    You too? When I bought my 327 it had Power Pack 265 heads on it. Greg.<!-- / message -->
     
  15. Truckedup
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    250 hp 327's have the single hump 283 Power Pac heads,3795896 casting
    .
     
  16. ponchopowerd
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    dont know if it was mentioned yet but theres also the chevy 262 v8 from the v8 monzas or for pontiacs the 421
     
  17. There's a Scout here in the you-pull-it with a V8 that looks like it would run and go, I scarfed the doors off it for a Hamb'er a few weeks ago. I've thought about just buying the valve covers off it because they're stamped with a script "International" ... I bet the motor would look nice detailed up and stuck in an early 30's IH pickup with the hood sides left off.



    Nash's 327 was entirely their own design, introduced as a 250 in '56 and produced through '66 in 250, 287 and 327 cubic inch variants. The 327's measurements of 4" x 3.25" gave it the same bore as the Packard V8 it replaced. You can get away from the torque tube drive by swapping over to either a GM dual-coupling Hydro, or later they came with a Borg-Warner 3-speed auto that was also used in Fords for several years. This latter trans is interesting because while Ford (plus Studebaker and a couple years of Jeep) used a conventional shift, in Ramblers it had a push-button shifter. I'm not sure how they bolted up to the motors, if they used a bellhousing like the Hydro or what - never messed with one and I even own one in a '58 Rambler - but I suspect it's just a matter of the right combo of parts.

    Only problem with the early AMC V8 is there are NO performance parts for one, you could probably make headers and there are manual trans setups and 4bbl intakes, but that's about it.
     
  18. LOL! Think this is the first time I've seen anyone spell out the sound of a Chrysler gear reduction starter! :D You must be trying to start a Chinese six in the dead of winter! Otherwise 6 or 8 "2s" is all it usually takes.

    Also heard the sound referred to as the mating call of the Highland Park (Michigan) Hummingbird. :rolleyes:
     
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  19. a few I can think of were good motors were the 383 merc big block, the 330 olds motor great torque both motors. the j-2 was a 371 not a 394. both outstanding motors. and the buick 340-2x4 motor was a true monster. I dont think the 396 chevy gets the respect it should. and the 400M was a great motor. amc 327 was as dependable as any 283 thought of being. I was tought the mopar sound was no no no no no no no no maybe,lol
     
  20. jremnant
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    262,267,302,366 chevy motors. seldom seen bellybuttons.
     
  21. Anderhart Speed
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    A few of the other guys have stated good comments about the ford 351m/400 and I agree. I was present at the 07 (I believe) engine masters challenge and there were quite a few 400s there. In all honesty, out of 50 competitors, aside from the typical small block chevy, the single engine in most abundance there was the 400 I think. That alone is saying something. Kazze's motor pulled somewhere near 650-700 hp I think, and that was with 9.5:1 compression, a four barrel, 91 octane, and a motor designed to make a high average of power and torque across the 2500-6500 RPM range. You just don't see those numbers anywhere without forced induction or impractical driveability. They may not be the prettiest motors ever made, but who's staring at the engine when it flying down the road anyway.

    And I'm not 100 percent positive about this, but I've heard that the big caddys (472, 500) actually are very light motors. Heard this from a few different sources but like I said, I haven't actually weighed them so I not certain about that.
     
  22. Pre-K
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    In 1988, I test drove a mint condition 327 Rambler Rebel, and that was one fast car. Fastest metal bodied car in 1957. I was nailing it into a left corner, biased plys screaming, when both right side doors popped opened, due to body flex! Had dual exhaust and glass packs, too. I could have bought it for $3000 on payments, but with my second child on the way... well, it was dumb to pass it up. The old guy who owned it loved our ride, too.

    A definitely overlooked V8, with decent mileage, too.
     
  23. xafalcongs
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    Kaase won the EMC this year with that same, but with dual 4bbls, 400. The 400 has won 2x and came in 2nd one time.

    The big Cad 472/500 wieghs about the same as a SBC. Same goes for the 351M/400 which comes in at 575lbs according to Ford internal documentation. TMI has a 400 with alloy heads and intake that wieghs somewhere around the 540lbs mark....kinda blows the lid off that oft stated BS that a 400 weighs as much as a 460. The 460 is 720lbs according tot he same Ford engine wieght spreadsheets that lists the 400 at 575lbs. Oh, and the 351M/400 has the same bore spacing as the Windsors and Clevelands, 4.38", which makes it about 5" shorter than a 460.....but it is still a TALL son-of-a-gun with the 10.297" deck hieght!
     
  24. xafalcongs
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    The early Jap V8s had traditional dizzys....I've seen a few swaps overseas using the Toyota 4.0 V8 from I think the early 1980's. These came out of the Japanese market limos from what I can recall. Someone correct me if I'm off the mark. I do remember thinking that it sure looked a lot like a small Hemi.
     
  25. ironfly28
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    It should...it's basically a copy.
     
  26. xafalcongs
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    The early Nissan V8's were the OHV, 4bbl Y-series which looks like a traditional US V8. It was only 4ltr but was built from the 1960's to mid-90's when it was replaced by the OHC V8.

    The early Toyota was the V-series and began production at 2.6ltr. It was replaced by an OHC V8 in the 90's but by that time, the engine had been enlarged to 4ltr. It was a Hemi design but was a helluva lot more compact and had pretty darn good heads compared to the early Chrysler/Dodge Hemi.

    Both the early Nissan and Toyota V8s had traditional dizzy and carbs and were built for 30+ years so shouldn't be too hard to find one in one of the many RHD countries where the Japanese limos were sold.

    As you can see, I'm reading what I can find on the net....kinda interesting little motors that would be cool in a non-traditional rod. BTW, have you guys seen some of the small cars from the 20's-40's from some of these more exotic locals? Do one up like a traditional US rod and power it with a little Furrin' V8....that'd be something different on cruise night.
     
  27. Left Turn
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    That 'Yota Hemi came in Crown Limos... There was a hot rod magazine I picked up a while back that had a deal on odd ball engines and there was a track T with one.. pretty cool little mills if you ask me...
     
  28. RichFox
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    Don't forget the Damiler Hemi 3 liter V8. Cute little motor. Looks like a V8 60 hemi. Seen a few on the lake bed.
     
  29. ironfly28
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  30. Little Wing
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    Pontiac 287 316 347
     

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