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Hot Rods The 413 Chrysler motor

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by pokey, Dec 1, 2009.

  1. el Scotto
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    el Scotto
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    I love the big block Chrysler.
     
  2. FORD FAN
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    Pedal to the floor hear the dual quads drink
    The 413's lead is startin' to shrink
    He's hot with Ram induction , but it's understood
    I've got a fuel injected engine sitting under my hood

    Tach it up, tach it up buddy gonna shut you down.

    Beach Boys, (I think 1963)
     
  3. BigBlockMopar
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    To the topicstarter;
    are you looking for a cross-ram, or a longram intake system...? There's quite a difference.

    This is the tired 413 I pulled out of my '60 NewYorker, to be replaced by a 500ci longrammed engine...


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  4. RodStRace
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    That there is MOPORN!!!
     
  5. I rebuilt a 60 413 for my 300e and took it out for a run in and lost the freeze plug thats right behind the starter motor. I ended up finding a hair line crack that ran through the core hole that the plug went into. Those early blocks had a shoulder in the core hole that the freeze plug sealed against and the plugs themselves were slightly concave and not cupped so sealing was an issue.
     
  6. Bigblockmopar,

    That old Newyorker should sit up and talk to you with that baby in there,,,beautiful engine!

    Tommy
     
  7. Oh yah baby, a little more to the right . . .
     
  8. Does someone make a flywheel for the 8 bolt early RB crank?
     
  9. owen thomas
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    I saw a big pile of 413 blocks out in Kansas, all with the bulkheads cracked (below the main bearing saddles). They were used to drive big irrigation pumps, ran flat out for hours at a time. All went the same, the blocks broke, but only after lots of hours, then replaced with another 413, and run till that broke. Throw away engines. Don’t use Chryslers any more, now using John Deere diesels, and don’t run as long anymore because of water rationing.
     
  10. ramzoom
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    from California

    AAQA is present on all max wedge blocks as well as street wedge blocks..Ive seen it on some 413's in Imperials as well as a rb383..supposed to be a higher nickel content and stronger block..If you find one with the AAQA all the better right?

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  11. Like the coveted A-1 marking on the hemi block, this appears to be no more than a myth. It seems to be a mostly meaningless foundry mark, identifying the foundry that cast the block. Also found on slant 6s and 318s, I am not seeing any evidence that it indicates a different alloy.
     
  12. 73RR
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    I agree..... urban myth.......


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  13. hotrod32@usfamily.net
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    from st paul

    I got a aaqa 413 fresh with what ever heads tou want
     
  14. twofosho
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    1960 Valiant line and Chrysler 300's, across the board in 1961. Other manufacturers followed suit a couple of years later, first GM then Ford, but by the mid 60's alternators were pretty much standard.
     
  15. tattoos by brandon
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    from salem ohio

    Still have a 413 for salem mine is cracked in my 59 Chrysler

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  16. GregCon
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    1980....the Mireles brothers had a '56 Ford stepside truck that had a 351C they did all the hop up tricks to....it was super bad-ass, at least if you listened to them. It would hang with the local hot rodded '68 Camaro with a 327 / 4 speed / 4.10's any day of the week. They were very proud of how bad-ass their Fords were.

    One night, they blew up their 351. Not having the money to fix it any time soon, but needing to drive the truck, they sawed an old bone-stock 413 out of an Imperial and in one way or the other affixed it into the Ford along with its Torqueflite.

    You can imagine their befuddlement the next weekend when their truck all of a sudden was able to put several lengths on the Camaro.....
     
  17. luke13
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    i thought mopar v8 blocks were all high nickle, or at least the early hemis were. im sure the blocks were definatly made with more superiour materials than the chev and ford blocks, i could be wrong. i believe the normal cross ram has 30" long runners and then there was the very rare crossram with 15" runners which work more from mid to high end power, (ive thought about making a set of 30" crossram manifolds for my 270 poly, as the 270 was good for low end to mid range power) was the 383rb in the same family as the 413?
     
  18. alphabet soup
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    Pokey, I have seen big block blocks cracked before. It's not too common. It mostly happens from freezing. The cracks always seem to run front to back. Right above the freeze plugs either outside or in the lifter galley. I have 2-413 blocks if you need one. I also have a tall deck 383 which has been bored standard 413. It has Jahns pop-up pistons in it. Gene.
     
  19. 73RR
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    The RB383 was the 1959-60 Golden Lion and the first of the RB engines followed soon by the 413 in 1961.

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  20. George
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    A-1 was the name of the Foundry.
     
  21. luke13
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    ahh ok, my dad has one sitting the shed at home ( a 383 rb that is) its always been a mystery engine to me, i will do somethin with it one day.
     
  22. tattoos by brandon
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    Mine is a 59 and has a 413 golden lion

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  23. 73RR
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    ...yeah, my bad...there is overlap between the two and my fingers got ahead of my brain...20 lashes with a wet noodle....
    When I came back to 'fix' the error you had already quoted the original so here we are...

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  24. Rusty O'Toole
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    413 was bad ass in the days of the 409 Chev and 406 Ford. But the 440 is better. 440 has better heads, bigger valves, and other differences.

    In other words a 413 is good but a 440 is better so if you have a choice, get the 440. Unless you want a 413 for the nostalgia kick.

    413 and 440 are in the same family of engines.
     
  25. tattoos by brandon
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    Some one said they used the 413 into the 70s in trucks

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  26. yes you can find the 413 in motor homes later than the 1965 car cut off....

    and a lack of anti-freeze might create a crack.....sometimes a build up of crud inside a block can hold a little of h20 instead of the green stuff and whola you have a crack somewhere....never count on a freeze plug blowing....
     
  27. tattoos by brandon
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    I think that's what happened to me ... I had freeze plugs that leaked and I would just use water in the summer to get by till this winter and I put antifreeze in it but I think it might have not been enough or circulated enough for how cold it was this year

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  28. George
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    Usually those late MH engines have the less than ideal truck heads that should be swapped out.
     
  29. Jack E/NJ
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    Rusty>>>440 has better heads, bigger valves, and other differences.>>>

    I got 440 police heads on my 413. What other better differences are there? Thanks.

    Jack E/NJ
     
  30. CoronetRTguy
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    Should be able to find both the 413 and 440 in some trucks, van's and motor homes.

    If you like 383s you can put 440 heads on them. The magnum or even the commando motors used heads from the 440 along with a 4bl intake.

    There used to be a kit on the market to turn a 318, 340, 360, 383 and 440 into a Hemi. The kit said it gave 1.5HP per cubic inch. The price was crazy high and I was close to ordering one for my 440 to put in my 70 Challenger R/T.

    There are some old police cars out there if you see a four door Plymouth check it out just might be an old police car with the police interceptor.
     

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