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Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by kustom01, Oct 3, 2009.

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  1. Like the ole sayin goes
    Ya want it done right, either do it yerself or pay a pro!
    I never told my dentist how to fix my teeth and he never told me
    how to paint his Porsche!!!!!!!
     
  2. deanopopino
    Joined: Aug 20, 2007
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    from Troy, MO

    Didn't you say there was rust to repair? Rust repair is NOT ... repeat after me ... NOT FINISH WORK!

    The vent wing was an IN PROCESS piece, even >I< can see that. If you expect show quality perfection all the way thru the process maybe you should just do it yourself (you are, after all, that good!).

    Face it, you can self-justify your theft any way you want but in the end, that's what it looks like to me. I think you went in with no intention to pay the man; that's why it went from 4k to 2k to $200 deposit to bringing the cops to "reclaim" your vehicle.
     
  3. Nefarious Art
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    Jumped into this argument too quick- my bad.
     
  4. temper_mental
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    I did and it says all you needed done was finishing work and paint.
     
  5. tdragger1
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    Ok kids....I'll be back when I feel like typing this novel. It get's better...
     
  6. deanopopino
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    Oh, I'll be it does!

    Anyone else want some popcorn?
     
  7. kustom01
    Joined: Jun 2, 2002
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    Thanks alot. You understand it!
     
  8. Hi!
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    Hi!
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    The only way this thread will get better is if you have a bunch of hot chicks naked pics playing in hula hoops.
     
  9. tdragger1
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    I have told my dentist how to fix my teeth because he put a cap on incorrectly and my gums got infected. I told him to remove it and put one on right...
     
  10. pay up, you know what real shops charge for what you were wanting. Pay the agreed price and live and learn.
     
  11. Special Ed
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    Nobody wins here. Lack of communication from the onset. They are both correct in what they believe, and both sides have some merit. If indeed the car was going "backwards" as stated, I would tend to side with tdragger.
     
  12. torchmann
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    That would be 150 hours at $80/hour shop charge over 3.75 weeks in the shop with a crew on it 8 hours a day working 10's. That's enough time to do the chop and paint. add in $700 for materials...
    Besides the wing vents and the hood rust that car was ready for a perfect $2k -$4k paint job single stage or clear with nothing fancy just one color. I bet Maaco would have shot it for under a grand and done better.
    I think this guy had a right to expect at least standard skills and if the other guy couldn't make i t right he should expect to forfeit.
    Been contracting for years and if you take on a job and can't make it right not only do you often not get paid you have to replace what you f'ed up out of your own pocket. Sometimes you have to sub it out to someone better able or skilled but regardless... you take it on, it's your ass not the customers.
     
  13. mx6262
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    It looks like someone bit off more than they could chew. Did Taledrager1 let it be known what type work he expected for his money, did the men agree on anything other than price?

    Making a cheeper price doesnt mean cheep work.....;)

    Agreeing on a cheep price doesnt mean you should expect a A-1 job..;)

    This seems like something the "2 GENTLEMEN" should agree to settle in person. This type of forum could hurt 2 good people...

    "Deals" on labor are not always deals...:eek:

    2 cent....
     
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  14. deanopopino
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    Will this work?:D

    [​IMG]
     
  15. kustom01
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    pics of some of the body work done so far.
     

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  16. tdragger1, being fng guy your coming off on a sour note. The guy offered to fix the vent windows for free. The vent window doesn't look great. Did you really think paying (oops) you really didn't I guess. With what you were quoted for the work on your car that it would be roses. Come on, I paid alone $2600 to flake the roof of my 62 Merc. I have had other stuff done on cars at "bargain prices" and have learned you get what you payed for. You should talk to the Kustom1 Dad and work something out. I read some of your replys, and I keep scatching my head about how the way you handled things on your end(and maybe him as well). Just my 2 cents, I hope both sides can get things worked out.
     
  17. tdragger1
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    Look at the pics of the car before it left to get molested. Like I said..I'll be back..I have a Saturday to enjoy...
     
  18. kustom01
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    a few more
     

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  19. tdragger1
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    I'm out $600, mangled trim, and by the way his skills do not allow him to fix anything
     
  20. One thing to remember is that kustom01's old man kept dropping his quote. Tdragger did not seek out a $2000 bid.

    Tdragger should have been leery of such a cheap quote. He should have checked references. He should have asked to see examples of work. He should have set clear expectations.

    Kustom01 your dad shouldn't have taken on more than he could handle (I DO NOT know his skill level). He should have clarified expectations. In this day and age even the shade tree mechanic should be insured. It's all about the CYA.

    Both parties should have entered into a contract!

    Kustom01 where is your dad in all of this. What are "his" words? Let him man up and tell the story (sorry if I missed his posts). I hate the phone game... Is that your dad's bodywork or tdragger's?

    Tdragger you stated your car had a "perfect" hood so I am not sure what the photo is showing. I do agree the vent window is horrible. He said he'd correct it, but if too much has been cut how can it be corrected? If he agrees to chop new ones who ponies up the dough to buy parts?

    I see no happy ending for this. This maybe a life lesson for both and that sucks...
     
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  21. I bet you did ! Did you pay him too ? Ha !
     
  22. LUX BLUE
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    I read both posts, here and on r.r.

    I would like to see pictures of the radiuses on the doors, please.

    those wing dings are simply ruined. You can't just "fix" them anymore. they are done.

    the inside of the hood looks like a porn stars butthole. after reading the r.r. post, tdragger was very concerned with the hood, as it was really nice. to see the work done here to an otherwise "really nice" hood, I can understand his anger.

    and again, the car was in primer when delivered. now, at my place, that usually means we have to sand it off. but after looking through the other thread, this thing was close, boys. cameras can hide alot of sins, but it looked pretty good from my place.

    I think this thread needs to go away. ultimately, both parties are right.
    and ultimately, both are wrong. there won't be any happy endings to this one.
     
  23. LUX BLUE
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    see, now that's just creepy.
     
  24. kustom01
    Joined: Jun 2, 2002
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    My dad isn't very internet savvy. So I'm just kinda telling him what i'm hearing and he's telling me his side of the story. Some guys have said it best, they're both probably right, and they're both probably wrong to some extent. It still doesn't justify the other party stiffing out on the bill completely. My father said that he told the guy to check the work as he went along before he continued. And he had ok'd most of the work up to this point. How could the hood be perfect if it needed rust repair. Besides isn't the hood closed most of the time. Who the heck is going to look under there and say... "Oh man look at that hood, it's not perfect, this car sux." that's not the spirit of hot rodding in my book, maybe the concourse d'elegance. but he didn't pay for that kind of work, it's fine if he wants a show car, then take it to a show car place.
     
  25. Why?
     
  26. Your out $600, and mangled trim ( er the vent wings). Vent wings aren't hard to find for shoebox Fords. The both of you can learn from this chaulk it up as a learning experience and just move on. That would be best for both sides. Since it sounds like you both aren't willing come to the table and work out a fix to this mess. Done with this, and I hope this thread will be deleted.
     
  27. torchmann
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    What mud monkee is worth $50/hour?
    hmmm. one that will not walk away from it until it's right. Sounds like an outrageous price considering most skilled trades pay out $30/hour if union but...
    The average $15/hour guy is going to care about the quality for maybe his first few days on the job then after that he's holding sandpaper and collecting a check. Your going to have to pay an above average tradesperson an above average wage to keep him on target with a sense of dedication and urgency or he's going to be thinking of other things.
    $1500-$1600 for paint? sounds steep but How many times do you want to spend $400-$700 for paint on do-overs. $1500 is too expensive for paint if you know it's going over shoddy work.
    At first I thought this guy's estimate was far fetched but after looking at it like this I think it's totally justified. especially after seeing his results.

    I do alot of stuf myself. I'm never surprised... just like the Joker says in Batman theres only a problem when something unexpected happens but the expected trajedy causes litttle or no distress. Taking things to a "pro" shop has always been a dissappointment I can do better and no matter how good they are, they are watching the clock and you get $10-$15/hour non-caucaisian alterations, overspray, and hod wookies everywhere you look past the exterior. That's the business model of "done right".
    Best bet if not doing it yourself is to save up more and take it to someone with a track record who's going to make you happy. Your going to have to mke him happy as well $$$
    If all I wanted was temp color and shine I'd have went to Maaco and had them shoot it black.
    Where Maaco gets it's bad rep it they only do exactly what you pay them to. They only fix each dent you point out unless you ask for every dent ding and imperfection. if you won't pay for sanding, they scuff. A Maaco job is the perfect representation of what the customer wants. They get exactly what they ask for.
     
  28. kustom01
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    here is a pic of some of the cars my dad painted, airbrushed, chopped, did body work and rust repair to. Now they may not be perfect 100% show cars, but they got lots of looks and he sold everyone of them to happy buyers, or happy payers of body work done. Just to prove he's not a "hack" as this guy claims. He may not do barrett-jackson work, but alot of people have liked and said his work was good.
     

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  29. tdragger1
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    I call BS on this....I have a ton of pics of nice cars too....Wait till I get done posting more pics and you too will agree with me...
     
  30. kustom01
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    I grew up to all of these cars and watched my dad fix, chop, paint or airbrush each one of these cars personally? what the heck are you calling BS on?
     
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