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Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by sephgato, Aug 5, 2009.

  1. sephgato
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    I am setting up the front end on my A and have a question, I have a 26" spring but I have a 46 ford axle so the perch pins are much farther apart than that. I am running the axle suicide, is it okay to make a set of shackels that are long enough to use this spring? Theoretically it should work but I wanted to double check.
    Thanks
     
  2. 1rustyhighcab
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    you'll need a longer spring. I would think that longer shackles will bottom out on top of the axle.
     
  3. hvychvy
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    I would for shure run the correct spring.Never can be to safe with your frontend:)
     
  4. Hot Rod T
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    Posies makes the right spring but they don't list it in the catalog .I bought one last year. I can look up the part # if you want
     

  5. sephgato
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    The spring is behind the axle though, I am wondering if it would cause the spring to behave as though it were too soft or if it would create a major amount of roll when turning. I am going to change the spring, I am just curious what the potential issues of having a longer shackle in the front is, if any
     
  6. onlychevrolets
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    or shorten the axel, I took an inch and a half out of my 40 axel to do a spring over. The axel is cast steel so welding it is not a problem, as long as you know how to weld. I've been beating on mine for three years with no problem.
     
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  8. pasadenahotrod
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    The Ford suspension is designed for the spring to be in tension when mounted. That's why a spring-spreader is necessary for any pre-42 Ford spring to be installed and a Panhard bar is not necessary.
    With longer shackles and an untensioned spring a Panhard bar is necessary to eliminate shackle sway which is what Ford did on the 42-48 passenger cars.
     
  9. Ned Ludd
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    Geometrically it should be possible - if there aren't clearance issues. The important thing is that the shackles sit at the same sort of angle - say 5° either way - as the stock shackles.

    Is your dimension of 26" installed or not? with the weight of the car on it or not? Remember a leaf spring will increase in length at it is loaded.

    Long shackles will tend to reduce the roll centre migration effect. If the new shackles are a lot longer you might find that relatively mild lateral acceleration now corresponds to silly roll angles, so an additional axle lateral-locating device might be needed. If you've got one of those the shackle angle becomes less important, but closer to vertical is then better.
     
  10. sephgato
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    I set it up just to see what it looked like, when loaded they should be about 50 degress or so.
    I will most likely change the spring but was interested in how it would work.
    The ground clearance is what I think could prove to be a problem.
     
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  12. hrm2k
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    TTT for the day shift...anyone have the answer to the correct angle?
     
  13. Little Wing
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    sorry but shortening the axle just seems silly,,why ruin the integrity of a perfectly good axle ,,when finding a proper spring is no big chore ?? :confused::confused:
     
  14. bobscogin
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    About 45º with the axle loaded.

    Bob
     
  15. no kidding.. and why put a 26" spring on a 46 axle? I am just curious.. the 46-48 Ford I beams were the widdest ones Ford put under their cars (Lincolns were a bit wider) so what is the reasoning for putting such a narrow spring? Lowering maybe? or a severe pre-loaded front suspension.. inquiring minds want to know :D
     

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