Do the Primer Nats represent the H.A.M.B. taste?

Gotgas · Sep 2, 2008

Chili Phil said: ↑

I'm 62 and I sure don't remember rusty, overchannelled, weirdly porportioned, badly designed crap with gorpy welds and leaks
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Really? I agree on the rust... everything else you mentioned I could find in any of the little books. Especially the leaks.

My car is rusty and a piece of crap. But it's not worth fixing "right" and I would rather see its true condition than a bunch of glossy paint on it. It is safe and roadworthy. I'm working on my house this summer and about to get deep into my nice, beautiful rust-free 1957 Chrysler, hope you guys approve of it when it's done.

For the record - I'm not sensitive about anything you guys have said. It's just a cheap car to have fun with. I like shiny cars too! But I have to say that this car does draw a lot of attention, lol.

dbradley · Sep 2, 2008

I'm IN! I've pretty much given up on "shows". Just a lot of rusted junk and PLUS sized models.

slammed · Sep 2, 2008

It's not rusty, or beat up car's, its' the gaudy stuff that is hard to take. That baby blue wagon is totally cool mister.

SinisterCustom · Sep 2, 2008

Perfectly said Drew....same boat here. But we're in the minority I'm sure.....

I wish I had a dollar for every time this subject comes up......then I could afford to build a "traditional" car that would be accepted here.....

daveyboy56 · Sep 2, 2008

Count me in if your have me? i was around in the 60s and NEVER saw a primer car NEVER! And as for rust your buds would have made you fell like shit with a rust bucket. So i dont get that whole thing. So at 53 count me in
I would take my Glass coupe over a rust bucket anytime. Now dont get me wrong i would have loved a steel 32 3 window but at 20k for a body that needs 10k of body work hmmm, I think not for me now. 2 kids in College . I am just lucky to have built what i did.

DE SOTO · Sep 2, 2008

SinisterCustom said: ↑

Perfectly said Drew....same boat here. But we're in the minority I'm sure.....

I wish I had a dollar for every time this subject comes up......then I could afford to build a "traditional" car that would be accepted here.....
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DIG DING DING !!!

Whats the key word in here Monty ?

AFFORD !!!!!

Used in a sentance ?

He could not AFFORD to paint his car, So he was Shunned by his Peers.

Mr.Musico · Sep 2, 2008

The unfinished, plastic rat, skull ornamented, no floor board trend is comeing to an end. The quality of the cars at this and other shows is getting better every year.

Groucho · Sep 2, 2008

My car will never look any better, or nipplier. PS-this was by far the best Primers. You guys are really starting to step it up. Good work. Hot Rodding's about progress, and improvement

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Groucho likes the scenery!!! (Groucho's official photographer)

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hotroddon · Sep 2, 2008

JimA said: ↑

Hey, long before Kirk and I ever met in person (let alone worked together) I organized "Poseur Proof". The event only happened one time in my driveway with no other cars than my own- no spectators, no other vehicles. I had total control and I feel the event was an emotional success
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Did you win "Best of Show"?

JimA · Sep 2, 2008

hotroddon said: ↑

Did you win "Best of Show"?
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There were no trophies- the fun was just being a part of it

Can't say the event made money- but it didn't lose any either.

EmilyBelle · Sep 2, 2008

Bad Bob said: ↑

Rudy's Coupe is the poster child for HAMB worthy cars! AND it's a recent build! Don't give up on HAMBers yet!!!

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Lucky me...I get to see this car every day, unfortunately he won't let me drive it.
=)

Mazooma1 · Sep 2, 2008

EmilyBelle said: ↑

Lucky me...I get to see this car every day, unfortunately he won't let me drive it.
=)
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You don't get much better than that. Nice car!

4t64rd · Sep 2, 2008

50Fraud said: ↑

...I looked through the pictures from the Primer Nats (and thanks to BeachHop/Noddy for the excellent coverage), and I had the same reaction that I had when i went in person a couple of years ago: there are almost no cars there that interest me. Using the thumbs up/thumbs down rating scale, or the "would I trade that for any car of mine?", fewer than 10% of the cars shown are interesting enough for me to stop and look at them in detail.

I guess I should acknowledge, briefly, the Old Farts' viewpoint that primered and rusty cars were not brought to shows back in The Day. If it isn't finished (and shiny), park it on the street....
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50Fraud, at the risk of being disrespectful, and by saying this, I am not endorsing the kind of cars you were talking about....

But if you open a thread called "Primer Nats pics"

Did you expect to see a lot of shiny cars?

Terry O · Sep 2, 2008

Tman said: ↑

I like baby ducks...really they are cute. I have a family of ducks at teh end of my driveway.
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I'm tired of cute ducks! Geese are cool. Ya ever seen a duck necked mirror? Ducks are stupid......unless their painted.

Terry

PunkAssGearhead88 · Sep 2, 2008

I have a feeling this thread is going to get shut down soon,... seriously its a bitchin show on a holiday weekend within a couple hundred feet from one of the only beaches in So. Cal that still has an old school feel and isnt full of fags! If you dont like it, dont go,or better yet, start your own show (not easy)! Remember if everyone was the same you couldnt be the Nazi's you are

Groucho · Sep 2, 2008

I hope it don't get shut down. It's a great show (one of the BEST), and deserves to get talked "up"!

PunkAssGearhead88 said: ↑

I have a feeling this thread is going to get shut down soon,... seriously its a bitchin show on a holiday weekend within a couple hundred feet from one of the only beaches in So. Cal that still has an old school feel and isnt full of fags! If you dont like it, dont go,or better yet, start your own show (not easy)! Remember if everyone was the same you couldnt be the Nazi's you are
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PunkAssGearhead88 · Sep 2, 2008

Groucho said: ↑

I hope it don't get shut down. It's a great show (one of the BEST), and deserves to get talked "up"!
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Ya I agree with you Groucho, but it just always seems like whenever there is a thread that builds up alot of controversy its not long before its closed.

Goozgaz · Sep 2, 2008

Did anyone get a picture of the douche bag at the show who had a dingleball covered flashing emergency light on the roof of his car? <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><meta name="ProgId" content="Word.Document"><meta name="Generator" content="Microsoft Word 12"><meta name="Originator" content="Microsoft Word 12"><link rel="File-List" href="file:///C:%5CDOCUME%7E1%5Cgnavarro%5CLOCALS%7E1%5CTemp%5Cmsohtmlclip1%5C01%5Cclip_filelist.xml"><link rel="themeData" href="file:///C:%5CDOCUME%7E1%5Cgnavarro%5CLOCALS%7E1%5CTemp%5Cmsohtmlclip1%5C01%5Cclip_themedata.thmx"><link rel="colorSchemeMapping" href="file:///C:%5CDOCUME%7E1%5Cgnavarro%5CLOCALS%7E1%5CTemp%5Cmsohtmlclip1%5C01%5Cclip_colorschememapping.xml"><style>  </style>[FONT=&quot]Ridiculous![/FONT]

Just Jones · Sep 2, 2008

So here is the question - what is the HAMB style? Seems to me it isn't so well defined anymore. I'm not so sure we all have the same definition of traditional here - actually, it is obviously we don't from all the arguing.

keep in mind that the pics you see posted only represent the cars that especially interested the person taking the pictures in one way or another, and that there were BAZILLIONS more at the show that aren't shown here. The Primer Nats is a show with diversity, but they keep a pretty good handle on keeping poorly built, poorly designed cars out. You really can't judge a show by looking at the pictures posted here, but even if you did, these cars are pretty damn amazing!

What seemed to be underrepresented at the show were clean, pre-war styled As and dueces (there were some, just not a lot) and period gassers (again, there w60sere a few). Lots of customs, though.

One thing about this year is the BIKES were especially outstanding! Especially the dirt trackers! I was in Triumph/JAWA heaven.

I go to about a dozen shows a year, and this one is always one of my favs.

Thanks to those who posted pics, by the way. Nice stuff.

sgtlethargic · Sep 2, 2008

Bad Bob said: ↑

Sorry about the second one...Groucho was yelling at me!!!
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I'm thinking that witnessing this scene would've been worth the price of admission alone. I'm guessing Groucho had to yell over the music and be quiet enough for her not to hear him screaming in Bob's ear, "NIPPLE!!! TAKE THE FUCKING PICTURE ALREADY! FUCKING ZOOM NIPPLE, FUCKING BOB! and so on ..."

There is no answer to the underlying issue. There are too many variables. There are too many cars. There are too many people. It's overload. In that case, it's usually nice to see something unfucked with and simple, such as a girl-next-door type of woman and a relatively clean survivor/stocker.

And, I appreciate old cars more when I see them on the street or by a barn. They're the neat minority then, instead of the overwhelming majority.

And, and, gawdy sums up a lot of it nicely.

Thanks,
Kurt

Jeem · Sep 2, 2008

Groucho said: ↑

Hot Rodding's about progress, and improvement
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Yeah, but where it gets interesting is when time goes by and people feel nostalgic, hot rodding must ALSO include a mix of tradition. If it was PURELY about progress and improvement, we wouldn't be dicking around with this old stuff. That's the rub (and also the cause of the most dispute on the HAMB), some are very strict about their traditional cars, some like the spirit of tradition, and some are just up for the latest trends (followers).

notebooms · Sep 2, 2008

drama.

first of all, things are never pure. traditional today is just ones attempt at defining what it means in their own minds-- an individual translation of history.

second of all...... cars that may not have been show worthy back in the day are in shows today because they are very uncommon... you just dont see them much on the roads nowadays.

i like a lot of the cars at primer nationals. i'm ok with the fact that many cars are not perfect translations of traditional. a lot of the cars are ugly...... but then again, i'd rather see those ugly cars than most of the other cars outside the show.

-scott noteboom

Cal Cowboy · Sep 2, 2008

I agree with much of what everyone posting here has to say, mostly that cars, finished or not, painted or rusted are their expression of what they see in a car. Many, and in the last few years many, many, many don't apeal to me, however, I do appreciate the thought, creativity and workmanship in most of the cars. An unsafe rust bucket thrown together to shock people is not a traditional rod. A finished car, shinny paint or primer, can be old school. I grew up in St. Louis (Mo.) and no one I knew drove a rusted car, but due to limited funds would drive a primered car with a finished, functional interior and safe to drive. Only a few guys I knew could afford a shinny finish, they had "55, '56 or '57 Chevy's. The rest of us did the best we could to have a car to drive to school, work and if we couldn't use the "family" car, go on a date. To me this is "old school" and acceptable as HAMB approriate cars.

Gasserfreak · Sep 2, 2008

I Like Old Cars. I drive my 56' daily. How bout your "perfect" cars? Are they still earning their keep. Or are they the "magic duster, mothers in the trunk" type of rides.

BTW 50Fraud, Love your vickys. Not this thread.

Drew

Badfella · Sep 2, 2008

Kilroy said: ↑

I get what you are all saying... I look at the pics and go to the few shows I go to and I'm lucky to see 5 cars that really grab my attention/imagination...

But shit... I'm just glad I'm at a car show or looking at old cars...

If you slow down and look a little closer, there's always something interesting going on there, even if the package isn't that riviting...

Granted, looking at pictures on the internet isn't going to allow you to get in close and check out brackets or wiring, or plumbing, etc...

But instead of knocking the pics, next time get off your ass and go to the show...

I garuntee you, some of those same cars that triggered the 'Blahs' in you, have something interesting going on...

But then again, when I had a driving car, I always got way more from just cruising around with nowhere to go than I did at any carshow... And right now, I get way more out of just sitting in my hot-assed dirty shed (the illustrious 'Amish Hot Rod Shop') than I do looking at pics online...

But you can't always be driving, and you can't last more than a couple hours in the K.A.H.R.S. in the summer.

So just be glad you're looking at old cars...
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I couldn't agree more. I attend Good Guys at Del Mar every year not to complain about all the billet crap but to enjoy the old tin. I have to search for the cars I like which makes the experience last longer and gives me a "Mission" to accomplish. If all the cars that fit my style were lined up in a row, it wouldn't be the same.

HOLLYWOOD GRAHAM · Sep 2, 2008

Looking back at my youth even long before I could drive, I remember primered cars and rods. The nice painted ones belonged to someone who had money. Common to see a car shaved with primer covering the area as if ready for paint. No automatic trans. were acceptable, 4 doors were taboo (it was your dads old car), white walls were the thing still but fading out. Fords were #1, Chev. #2 but anything else was not looked on with favor till mid 50's. One thing I do not remember is Rust, it was sanded off and primered and then hopefully painted. I think maybe a new catagory other than just Traditional Rod, Street Rod is in order for those that like rust. One thing I must say is the creativity of useing or making unusal parts is amazing at these events rather than cookie cutter stuff ordered out of a catalog.

zman · Sep 2, 2008

Chad s said: ↑

There is a big difference in the cars built in the 50's, and 90% of todays "traditional" hot rods and customs. The cars today are usually a modern interpretation of what was done 50 years back. All of the current trends of the last few years that are popular among much of the traditional crowd really have nothing to do with the original form of hot rods and customs from the 1950's. Lets look at a few of them!

-metal flaked roof (often accompanied by a semi-gloss body)
-"suede" paint in general
-un-repaired/exposed rust
-painted steel wheels with no wheel covers on a custom
-bare metal cars (how silly!)
-floor shifters on customs
-customs so low you can put a pack of smokes between the rear fender skirt and the asphalt
-police car unity spotlights on a custom
-zodiac metalflake vinyl interiors
-over the top, gaudy pinstriping covering a whole deck lid

man the list could go on forever. The sad thing, a lot of the guys think the above really are a representation of how cars were built 50 years ago. Dont believe everything you read on the internet!
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I think you are confused as to what "traditional" is. What you described seems to be more OSR/Rebel Rods, well except for the floor shifter on a custom, I got one of those....

Chili Phil said: ↑

On another thread I suggested the term Turditional to describe the new style of shitbox. I'm gonna throw that out here, too.
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I like it, I'll use it liberally.

Brandi said: ↑

Gotta agree with Bad Bob on this one. In Progress and Done to look like shit are two WAY different things.
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I agree as well... very different.

Tman said: ↑

I like baby ducks...really they are cute. I have a family of ducks at teh end of my driveway.
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I'll see your ducks and raise you a feral cat colony...

and no rodent problems...

Evel said: ↑

I wanted to put together a model A show a few years ago I thought that would of been fun..

Hell I say more shit boxes!!! it only makes my car look better
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Hmmm... great way to look at it. I look at gay guys the same way... more more more... takes two guys out of the hunt for women...

4t64rd said: ↑

50Fraud, at the risk of being disrespectful, and by saying this, I am not endorsing the kind of cars you were talking about....

But if you open a thread called "Primer Nats pics"

Did you expect to see a lot of shiny cars?
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water meet keyboard...

DE SOTO said: ↑

Here's an easy way to settel this thread...

All you guys that agree that there was nothing but Junk at the Primer Nats and have nothing better to do than Bitch about it here, Go ahead & do so but before you hit the send button.....

ATTACH A PIC OF YOUR CAR TO SHOW US HOW TO DO IT !!
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can I talk shit now? Oh please...

zman · Sep 2, 2008

http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=290875

this thread makes me think it's a good show to go to....

Gasserfreak · Sep 2, 2008

cruzr · Sep 2, 2008

I am an old fart..........dont remember anything close in my day to the majority of whats beng built today.......certain "rules" were laid down {unwritten} many ions back, and to be "traditional" they must be followed. that being said there are many of the "new wave traditional cars" that i do admire.But i guess i am stuck in a "time warp" for my tastes will always be "the real old school".

so sign me up for the old farts club i guess !

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